I’m afraid I’m having a hard time differentiating between the heart and blood aspect, which is particularly rough since I get Sylph of Heart when I take quizzes. You seem as close to an expert as possible so could you perhaps help?

Blood is the aspect of relationships and commitment, both on a personal level and a societal level. it’s about how people bond together and rally under a common banner/ideology. its also about attachment to physical circumstances (being rooted in the laws of outside society is important for an aspect focused on how societies collectively function).

As @theworstpersonintheworld eventually convinced me of, Its also about violence. Not just in physical terms (tho i can see it manifesting that way–the Red Miles are an explicit Blood symbol that emerge from the symbol of a monarch’s Rule over a people) but as the “removal of choice”, as Mike Rugnetta describes it.

In other words, the violence we all subject ourselves to in order to be part of society-everyone gives up SOME degree of freedom in order to enable the collective functioning of the whole.

For example, traditional marriage tends to come with an expectation of exclusivity or at least sticking by your partner even when its not convenient-its a sacrifice of the “freedom” to always look out for yourself, because you’re now bound to another. Marriage is a societal institution and a form of close partnership, so it parses in connection to Blood.

Heart concerns the soul, expression of self, and identity. its symbols are identifiers of unique personhood–nepeta’s blue cat hat, dave’s sunglasses, hats in general as signposts for an individuals’ “Identity”, whether that identity relates to work or interests.

It also relates to romance, but rather than commitment and companionship it focuses on passion and the deep inner urge towards togetherness that comes with Love. It’s concerned with soulmates in the existential sense, relationships as a means of two souls expressing the desire to Be Together.

Hopefully this helps?

what do you think tagora’s class is after the friendsim? i personally see knight vibes from him

chelonianmobile:

revolutionaryduelist:

banavalope:

I’m so excited you asked me this because I’ve been itching to analyze Tagora and the shit we learned in his friendsim route.

So I’m with you, I’m leaning towards seeing him as a Knight but I think I can still make a case for a Thief still, too, so I kind of caught between the two. But Knight seems most likely.

The thing that stands out the most in tagora’s route is his desperate need for control made most obvious when we step into his pristine hivehold. He also insists on guiding the conversation at every point (telling the reader what to do, where to sign, when to shut up), if we still run with the assumption Tagora has some type of anxiety then him needing to be in absolute control of his space and surroundings makes total sense. It all assists in keeping up his act that he has his shit together which I think is more for his sake than it is his reputation’s. We can tell he isn’t as in control as much as he leads us to think he is – evident when the blueblood barges in, an unexpected event that seizes Tagora up and totally throws him off, giving the reader their first opportunity to take the lead in the conversation. Briefly also when he goes to give the Reader his card and notices we’re an alien, he’s the only friend so far to have that sort of a panicked,hesitated reaction requiring him to recollect himself.

Long point short, he’s definitely coming across as putting up a guard. I don’t think anything about his confidence is entirely fake, I DO think he’s more fragile than he lets on.

Space is about creation primarily and in all meanings of the word, so there’s no reason creating an identity wouldn’t fall in the realm of this ESPECIALLY for a Mind-influenced Spacebound, if you subscribe to the idea the true signs’ aspects of each caste have a bleed effect over all their extended cousins. He surrounds himself with the idea of perfection and he hides in it, when something knocks away that facade he can’t handle it and almost neurotically breaks down (like in bad end).

Another thing about space is it’s relation with the Setting, which Tagora is using too for a lot of the same reasons outlined: keeping his hive obsessively clean, his desire to enhance his reputation, I think also Tagora’s route is the first to take us to so many different locations? The general meeting spot of all the sims at least twice, his hive, his bathroom, another part of town, and he’s still the one in command of the Reader finding themselves in these places (this one might be a stretch though). It’s not being lead like a Seer or Mage would, nor is it being controlled and created in the way a Witch or a Maid might do so, despite all my references to him manipulating Space. He’s controlling the environment in relation to him specifically to positively effect himself in two ways I can see strongest: protect himself and benefit himself.

To stand for the possibility of Knight first, Tagora DEFINITELY uses Space to improve and equip himself, as well as protect others (in a loose sense of the word) with it. I already discussed how he’s improving/equipping himself with space, and he does go about “protecting” the Reader with creativity (a Space thing) in offering his legislative services to “get the MC the justice he so craves (for a nominal fee of course)”, and in the good ending where he rolls with the rainbow drinker schtick then decides partnering with us is beneficial to both parties.

For the Thief spin, Tagora shows signs of taking creativity and the setting for himself. Literally he takes space from us in that he’s keeping us at a distance: he deters you – not in narrative but by reaction as a game player whether you had this reaction or not when playing – from wanting to talk with him because he’s charging per word & he doesn’t want you to touch him under any circumstance. He’s not willing to talk about himself unless you want to pay him for it, and he’s not going to tell you things like what his mantra is or how Alternian legal proceedings play out. Figuratively, he runs away with all of the Reader’s ideas, like in the good end like going along with the lie we fashion up about being a rainbow drinker (a clever response), the way he comes back to himself and puts himself into the bit alongside you is almost like he’s taking credit from that point for our ruse, and it all directly comes back towards him in a positive manner. He also wants All The Money, a common link between our two Thief examples in Homestuck.

Ultimately I think Tagora is most likely a Knight of Space but it’s hard for me to commit to it until I get more of his personality. The friendsim gave me huge Thief personality vibes, but the glimpse we get of Tagora potentially being heavily veiled under a persona he’s crafted makes me think Knight, too. Both of these classes have something to do with long roads of feeling comfortable with and accepting yourself for what you are (Meenah declaring that she’s just evil, Vriska as (Vriska) having personal revelations that change her at first until she confronts us with the idea that you don’t need to change in order to do the right thing or potentially even be seen as “good”, Dave and Latula both letting go of their cool guy guards and facing the trauma they experienced as just themselves with no armor ((well, Dave moreso in this regard than Latula))) more than any other class.

I’m not sure what to expect from Hiveswap, Act 2 or future friendsims and mini content, but if we’re gonna see any personal development for the individual characters I’d wager Tagora’s thing being about letting go of his guard and us seeing behind the sly little business boy act he’s got going on to whatever is genuinely underneath, be that just him accepting he’s really as clever as he makes us think he is and he just needs to let go of the act, or admitting that he’s actually much more anxious and overwhelmed and needs to feel like he’s in control of Space to make it through another day hinged.

this is fantastic analysis work that i think captures the two major sides of Tagora’s class behavior. Personally, I see him as an innate Thief, put into the position of roleplaying a Knight.

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Legislacerators, as civil servants, seem to carry some inherently Knight-like connotation-much as Butlers do. Both are agents who “serve” others through intense labor and specific behaviors/skillsets.

Terezi, a Knight roleplayer, has her entire conflict revolve around her desire to understand her own Mind and its conflict with her perceived moral obligation to Serve Justice.

Interestingly, Tagora doesn’t seem as suffocated by his socially prescribed role as say, Xefros or Dammek (who also parses as a Thief forced into roleplaying a Knight to me). Rather, he seems to operate within the letter of the Knight’s confines, while pretty clearly espousing a Thief’s motivations.

Interesting stuff. There’s more to say, certainly, this is just a bit of a ramble on where I’m at right now.

His lusus tips the scale to Thief for me. Ferrets are so notorious for stealing small objects from their owners and rabbits and chickens from farmers that their very Latin name means “thief”. (”Mouse-killing smelly thief”, to be exact, though Tagora only smells of Lush products and we don’t know about the mice. Mustela putorius furo, if you’re curious.)

oh wow thats a neat detail i was unaware of! Interesting indeed. I was already pretty sold on him being a Thief (I guess there’s some room for Rogue depending on how he develops?) but this really cinches it for me! Sweet catch!

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Tetrarch Dammek is already one of Hiveswap’s most controversial characters, and he hasn’t even said a word yet. Lets see what we can learn about him using Classpects as a lens, and in the process explore how, and why, Alternia became the hellworld Joey comes to know.

I know I’ve been rather soft on him here, but let’s be clear: Dammek still really sucks for Xefros. Here’s hoping Xefros will learn to stand up for himself and Dammek will learn to treat his friends better during this adventure!

Today’s question: Do you think trolls who commit cruel deeds like Dammek, Trizza, Ardata and Zebruh are completely damned, even if they could never freely choose to be better?

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Hey… I want to know, what are your thoughts on a rouge of heart role-playing a prince of heart? Like, how would they act and stuff. I want to know bc from my understanding that would be a dead ringer for me.

I don’t really answer questions like these because even with a classpect scenario this specific, there could be literally endless variations on the same theme. A person/character is defined by the context of their life/story.

So I’d be inclined to ask you what that terminology means to you, and consider that one valid interpretation among many.

It’s worth mentioning that this is one of the classpect combinations Davepeta would have access to, as a Rogue/Knight of Heart/Time whos components were influenced by a Mage and Prince of Heart, respectively.

We don’t entirely know the extent or limits of their powers yet, but it felt worth mentioning.

slxvencoven:

Shout out to people who never knew their dads

Shout out to people who have abusive dads

Shout out to people who haven’t seen their dads in a long time

Shout out to people who choose to cut their dads out of their lives

Shout out to anyone who had to take the place of their own father figure

You don’t have to celebrate fathers day if you don’t want to. And if you do, there are people who love you. You are all so strong and deserve a wonderful live. You aren’t a bad person for not celebrating fathers day. 

Nanami and Her Rapid Maturity

thoughtfulfangirling:

I had a thought, and it’s not super well formed, but I kind of feel the need to throw it into the void.

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Nanami Kiryuu from Revolutionary Girl Utena begins the series as perhaps the most immature and absurd character and even has a tendency toward cruelty. This tendency appears to be more out of a sense of selfishness than sadism, but it’s there nonetheless.

But throughout the course of the series, her maturity excels, and aside from Utena and Anthy themselves, may possibly be one the the most disillusioned character at the end of the show. This is especially remarked upon by the fact that she isn’t introduced to the duels until closer to the end of the first arc, but the turning point in her arc comes even before Touga’s, a character who’s always giving the impression of maturity and adulthood and shown in relative positions of power and was perhaps the most deeply involved in the duels at the beginning of the series (aside from Akio and Anthy of course).

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lizardlicks:

culljoy:

I keep noticing how some artists have been silently leaving the fandom. Like, the kind of artist that’ll make casual posts and usually have an open and welcoming attitude about fellow fans and homestuck by itself.

While I’m sure they leave for their own reasons, I cant help but be aware that these artists may come and go sometimes because of either the stressful environment of the fandom, or get targeted/bullied enough for no real reason to the point that they wanna leave, and their traction on people’s dashes get replaced by other artists (or even just louder blogs in general) who instead make fun of others people’s art and like to passive aggressively critique the artistic expression of other’s in the fandom (from ships, to fave characters, to headcanons, to other things one would dub as cringe culture).

Like, unless some other’s want to shape up and stop being assholes, there’s nothing that can really be done, but I’m just a little sad that we’re left with less positive content creators to look up to around here and more that like putting others on blast and sneering at art habits that other homestuck artists have, all while wrapping themselves in this thin veil of woke purity.

Hey, positive Homestuck blogs, reblog this! I’m still here and I know I follow plenty of you that are still supportive, creative and welcoming. Spread this around for other people to find and follow, don’t let the loud assholes drown us out.

gargomons:

“The meaning of this I can’t really say in one word… but one way to look at it is that I wanted to convey the sense of what it means to become an adult. In other words, there are no people with pure hearts in the world of adults. So, what would you do when you realize this? In other words, when you realize that the world of adults is a dirty one where no one with a pure heart can live, would you avoid it and remain as a child where you can live in a world of childish and beautiful dreams? Or, would you enter the adult world regardless even if you knew that it was not a pure world? So, which way are you going to choose?” 

kunihiko ikuhara, adolescence of utena commentary