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Rage as an aspect at face value is hard to swallow but aspects are also given to players as challenges. Xefros is like the exact opposite of someone “rageful” but he’s in line with the description of someone that’s basically against authority and wants revolution. Otherwise he wouldn’t be in on it with Dammek, but if he really IS a rage player I think the implication would be his challenge is to meet this potential as someone more strongwilled and less fooled than he is

That’s quite possible. I tend not to think about the classpects as challenges to the players too much, mostly because it seems to me like at least in Homestuck, players were ALWAYS executing their classpects in some way or another–Jake was always serving himself Hope/through Hope, Gamzee was always destroying Rage (the beat where he calmed down Eridan, for example), so on.

So if Xefros IS a Rage player, I would’ve expected that to show up from the beginning. All of his Act 1 coding seems to heavily concern Time, but it’s quite possible I missed stuff (someone already reframed his excitedly crushing the soda can as a Rage thing, which I’m considering), and you’re right that there’s some ways he fits the profile.

My guess is the test is accurate, and Xefros is a Rage player. I’m just not sure what that means for the audience’s ability to deduce a characters’ classpect through canon clues. Hopefully revisiting Act 1 and later acts will make the logic that WP employs in writing Classpects a lot clearer to us, with so many characters in play. 

dukeofriven:

zilliumgrist:

zilliumgrist:

I’M GONNA FUCKING DIE HERE ARE ALL THEIR SIGNS

OK SO:

xefros is derse and a rage player

dammek is prospit and a blood player

zebede is prospit and a light player

daraya is prospit and a hope player

tyzias is prospit and a blood player

mallek is prospit and a time player

one of the twins (i think its barzum) is doom and derse

the other one is breath and derse

and trizza is derse and blood

And @revolutionaryduelist officially excuses himself, goes quietly into his room, and all the rest f us here for the next three hours is him storming around while swearing constantly and throwing shit. 

Nah! I’m confused, admittedly, but if anything I find that exciting. Whenever I end up confused with Homestuck it leads to the conclusion that things are way more interesting and complex than I initially thought. If I feel at all like I felt after Act 7, well–last time I felt that way worked out pretty well for me.

It’s really interesting with Xefros in particular because SO MUCH of his Act 1 stuff so heavily involved Time, so like…what’s up? 

Is this new Caste system flawed and prescriptive, like the Quadrants? 
I doubt that, or at least, I’m not eager to suggest this brand-new system is inaccurate or irrelevant. If true, that’ll probably become clear over the next Acts.

Assuming Xefros IS a Rage player is more interesting though, because
A) We’ve got our first unambiguosly good Hero of Rage, which I was hoping for to begin with.
B) Why the focus on Time, then? Given that Caste and Aspect were linked with the Sburb-playing Heroes from Homestuck, is that something being imposed on Xefros and obscuring his true nature, like the Knight role?
Can you force Aspects on people like Classes???

Even if it turns out even stuff like intrinsically linking Time and rapping, admiring a dude you think of as “a figure from History” and imagining elaborate scenarios where said figure uses Time travel to fight a bunch of different versions of himself is all not enough detail to tell us about a Hero’s Aspect, that would in and of itself be interesting. 

If nothing else, it’ll make it a lot easier to pinpoint how Homestuck/Hiveswap actually try to telegraph Aspect affinity. I’d take a chance at establishing a coherent logic over being right about this particular thing any day.

I’ll PROBABLY still do a classpect video on Xefros? I might even do it before Joey’s to put these questions at the forefront of any Classpect series.

Wow I needed to write all that out. Ok, back to work on videos–thanks @ everyone who sent me asks and sorry I didn’t answer more of them! The bottom line for now is that I find this all very interesting but I don’t think we have quite enough information to figure out how it all fits together.

That said I’m probably due for a quick replay of Act 1 to see if Xefros has any Rage references I missed. 

dahniwitchoflight replied to your post “luciotheheirofspace reblogged your photo:whatpumpkin: You might have…”

the zodiacs signs don’t actually affect the quiz on the lunar sway or aspect part though, literally its the same quiz for each sign

I’m sorry, I’m very overwhelmed so this is true but I’m not terribly certain what it means for these purposes. Am I misunderstanding what the quiz thing says about the canon characters? Like is there NOT an implication Xefros is a Rage player here and everyone is just confused?

Will you make a future video regarding some of it? I’ve literally watched all your videos in awe. XD

Definitely, especially since it’s a pretty hefty wrench thrown into the video I was GOING to make on Xefros, who seemed like an extremely clear-cut time player. If this is meant to be taken as canonical, it suggests that Classpects as applied to the trolls, at least, are way more complex than we first thought.

It’s awfully exciting to try to figure out! God I love homestuck. 

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whaaaaaaaat the FUCK this is fascinating and so weird, I have so much to reconsider and double check 

Homestuck and furries

arrghus:

One thing I really like about Homestuck is its treatment of furries. Like, not just that it has them, and celebrates them being who they are and drawing strength from it, though it undoubtedly does that, but also its sheer variety of characters who can all be plausibly described as furries, yet are completely different from each other in their approach to furrydom.

For starters, let’s look at Jade. Jade thinks that dogs and wolves are really rad, and kinda wants to be one. She admires their powerful sense of smell, their powerful bodies, their soft fur. She thinks they’re beautiful, and shows a deep affection for her pet/guardian Bequerel. She does not show any particular interest in fursuits, because she doesn’t want to dress up as a dog, she wants to be a dog, and a fursuit would allow her to mimic almost none of the qualities she so admires. For Jade, furrydom seems to be above all about the power trip. Indeed, when she ascends to doghood, her transformed state has very limited animal traits, just a pair of ears really, but in return she gains access to the animal traits she most admires, like an absurdly powerful sense of smell, soft furry ears, and the ability to channel the unfettered energies of an incomprehensibly vast extradimensional ball of fire. Just like dogs do.

Nepeta, on the other hand, never shows all that much sign of wanting to be a cat. She loves cats, she roleplays as one on the internet, she wields cat claws as a weapon, she hunts wild beasts and dresses up in their pelts. She does all these things, and she clearly enjoys them, but shows no sign of Jade’s desire for transformation, and doesn’t go on about how great they are. Animals are just a part of life for her, and while she loves them she doesn’t place them on any kind of pedestal.

Then there’s Equius, with his, er, fine art and his, let’s say sweaty reaction to it. Something something the only transformation he desires is for one of his adored and beloved sweet sweet sweet sweet sweet musclebeasts to step on him, killing him instantly.

Judging by the pictures in his apartment, Dirk has a strong interest in fursuits and related gear, and probably some kind of desire to either be or be with either some sort of anthropomorphic animal, or a dude in a fursuit, or both, or all four. Hard to tell, he keeps a bit quiet about that side of himself, regarding it as embarrassing.

Rose has a squid girl desktop background. There’s probably something to that, given how incredibly ridiculously gay she is (she has arguably flirted with every single girl she’s ever met who wasn’t her mother, for one). She also seems to be really into becoming a catgirl, though like Dirk, the non-catgirl version of herself rejects this as embarrassing.

Jake isn’t into furrydom in your traditional sense (afaik) but he shows a strong interest in the Na’Vi from long-forgotten blockbuster hit Avatar, fantasizing about being one and about being with one, not to mention dressing up as one.

There’s a staggering number of different approaches to the same basic concept on display, a dazzling variety of ways to interpret a single basic notion, a notion known as Furry.

And that’s without mentioning Calliope, Cronus, Horuss, Meulin, Dave, Vriska, or Terezi.

revolutionaryduelist:

Hey, chums!
This time, we take a look at the Hero Titles, also known as Classpects. 
Let me know what your Class and Aspect is in the comments, and say
whether Classpect videos on different characters sounds interesting to you! 

Also, an announcement. After December 1st, I’ll be changing the Patreon to charge per video post, rather than monthly. 

Thanks for everything, and as always,

Keep Rising.

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