i don’t know about the tapestries yet BUT we pretty much recently cracked the code on a whole new subset of mythology Lord English is linked to that im excited to share and write meta about. Classpect posts first though, and anyway my mind is still boggling at all the implications of the ways LE is linked to egyptian myth so its gonna take a while to make my thoughts presentable.
Except by the time that Hiveswap is happening I’m pretty sure the Condesce has already dissapeared? I’m kinda rusty on my lore but since it’s a year before John would have been meteored down, that means that Nanna’s already had Dad Egbert, and I think we here her talking about how she was fighting against Betty when one day she dissapeared, so that’s why she settled down and had Dad E.
well remember though that the Condesces intentions for “Earth” were the same no matter which version she was on, we know she doesn’t end up succeeding on Beta earth, but she definitely succeeds on making her own alternia like culture on the Alpha kids Earth, through the help of the juggalo clown cult and the betty crocker empire
so what’s happening currently on Beta Earth, even if Condesce herself is no longer there, is that the juggalo/betty crocker cult she left behind still intends to follow through with whatever plans she left for them before she disappeared
which means in Hauntswitch Jude will save the planet from the evil Juggalo menace, which on this version of earth is currently a snake without a head, (unless Juggalo Guy Fieri or the ICP guys make an appearance???) giving him and Dammek a better chance of winning, which we know they apparently do
It’s really nice that someone picked up on this besides me!
Mmmhm. Basically this @revolutionarygays . Like sorry but this shit is demonstrable and worth taking seriously whatever you think of the other lines of criticism he’s gotten.
figured i’d lightly weigh in on this since i’m very aware of the situation:
i support swamp-wizard and i loved his blog content. this idea that keegan somehow wasn’t a good ally to lgbt women is just mind-blowing to me – he’s been such an influential voice (to me, at least, and a lot of other lgbt women i know) in pushing back against the rampant misogyny in both media and fandom, including being willing to actually listen to lesbians and make an effort to understand the experiences of gay & bi women when interacting with media. i’m shocked (but not surprised) to see people who are neither women nor gay leveling these accusations against him
Sigh. Ok, actual last word on this because I’d like to close off on a perspective that is closer to my values and less a byproduct of shock and anger. This is my ACTUAL last word on the matter in public, I don’t want to clog up fun happy fandom times with this nonsense, but revgays if you’d like to talk further you can contact me privately.
At least insofar as I and the people I know are coming from, it’s really disingenuous to pretend this is about “shipping” or w.e the fuck. What this is about is that swamp has repeatedly refused to stay in his damn lane basically and just, you know, be cool? Not be an enormous jackass to people he doesn’t know and incite harassment at them/call into question their LGBT identity as a way of undermining their Progressive Cred or w.e?
No matter which way you cut it, Swamp has mocked, vagued and ostracized several fan creators for having petty disagreements with him. He’s been called out on it and told its fucked up–by ME, when I was under the impression he was a cool dude and was making an effort to be friends with him as well as other people who he directly affected–repeatedly apologized, and then proceeded to do the exact same shit anyway.
As @callmearcturus said, he apparently didn’t even bother to clear up the mess he made wrt his accusations at her. That’s fucked up. This dude has 0 credibilities and that’s because there is a demonstrable pattern of lies and not caring about trust or goodwill w/ said fans he doesn’t agree with! That’s a lot of what has earned him this response so, tough shit.
As for the Hiveswap stuff, my honest opinion is that however reasonable his anger is, his reading of the game is flat out fucking wrong. It’s bad analysis. It is demonstrably, blatantly untrue and says nothing meaningful. His lines of criticism were shut down by wp statements on the few pieces of narrative ambiguity there are.
Criticism isn’t all made equal, or free from criticism itself! Swamp is fundamentally engaging in bad, lazy criticism, in that he says nothing accurate or substantial about the game. This is insufferable given his arrogant posturing about knowing Everything About Homestuck (but like, frankly who am I to throw stones there?) and DOUBLY insufferable when he uses it as justification to rob lgbt creators from profit.
Now all of that said? I don’t hate Swamp. I don’t think I’m capable of hating much in general. as @ao3sburb said, I kinda hope he comes back someday. I don’t LIKE being mean, especially not to fellow LGBT people–there’s nazis out there, the world is scary, we need to stick together etc etc.
But I TRIED to be friends with swamp. Really hard! All I got out of it was a bunch of my friends being harassed and endless bullshit vaguepost drama. And I genuinely thought he was cool for the longest time. I seriously have not had a more dramatic, hurtful, and drawn out experience of being let down and let down by someone I tried to believe in, and every time I chose to give swamp another chance it usually ended in another friend of mine getting vagued or harassed.
I still feel guilty about that, so the idea of giving him a pass over it and letting you turn it into “shipping nonsense”? Fuck that. Swamp fucked up, and he was mean and cruel in contexts where it was completely unnecessary. Over and over and over again.
So like I don’t think he’s satan, I certainly don’t think he’s a FASCIST (LOL i cant believe I heard that one), but I do think he’s fundamentally misguided, and to the extent that he’s hurt he’s internalized a pattern of lashing out in really ugly and unwarranted ways.
I hope he gets better. I hope he takes care of himself. And when he comes back I hope he knows to just like, be fucking chill about stuff with his fellow LGBT peeps and shit. We deserved the understanding and nuance at least as much as he does now, according to your logic, and we. did. not. receive. it.
We are under no obligation to provide what he proved unwilling to give.
anyway i woke up feeling very sick and also very emotional about jade and joey? like obviously the parallels between them w beta jake being absent from both their lives run strong but joey’s insight into grandpa’s actual disposition, as a little bitch absentee father who cant commit to the people who want to love him, makes jades childhood soo much sadder. she spent her whole life missing him and not knowing that even if he was there things still wouldve been awful! double loneliness
love that joey’s narrative as a girl who actually talks about her parental neglect (a first for homestuck lol) who is mature/kind beyond her years wrt the people around her (in her case jude, and xefros, and even beta roxy) aligns soo well w jade’s own narrative and supplements her RIDICULOUSLY sparse story
I think theres been a good number of references to it being a snake so far, which vibes with all his Seer of Doom/LE focused imagery. Haven’t dug too deep there to be honest!
here’s some Fucking Hiveswap Tea: 90% of the shit people are trying to claim is “new canon” was stuff that was just in the comic if you actually looked for the right bits
Flying through Storytelling 