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One other big thing about Caliborn being into Saw is one of his themes. Literally a SAW theme, which is “Hello, Zepp” in [S] MSPA Reader: Mental Breakdown. (this isn’t a connection between bro and Caliborn, but a connection between Caliborn and the franchise) It’s a pretty big thing because Caliborn also controls how we see the comic sometimes (killed the author and takes over the narration at times)

I mean Caliborn’s interest in SAW, ultimately, impacts the entirety of the story. The Alpha Timeline IS Caliborn’s dungeon, as he puts the whole rest of the cast through horrific deaths for disobeying him in Doomed timelines and through terrible trials in the comic itself. The story of Homestuck IS in many ways Caliborn’s horrible SAW-esque fantasy, an inescapable dungeon of pain and suffering for the characters. 

I didn’t know about the “Hello, Zepp” reference. I don’t really like watching SAW, so I hadn’t heard the music. Thanks 😀

also compare: caliborn: HELLO DIRK. GuESS WHAT I WANT TO PLAY. THAT’S RIGHT. A GAME. DIRK I WANT TO PLAY A GAME. with dave’s bro’s comic that he drew: HELLO ROWLF. I WANT TO PLAY A GAME. I WANT TO PLAY A GAME. (pg 2465)

yes. Those are SAW references. The similarity in speech patterns is pretty obviously intentional, too. Hence why I don’t think its up for debate.

It feels REALLY awesome to have other people talking about this btw. 

no Lil Cal au. He’s just stuck in the air conditioner on the roof and cant influence jack shit. Dave has a good childhood and Bro isn’t a piece of shit. Gamzee doesn’t go crazy, Jack doesn’t rip his eyes out, all-around everything’s better.

tragically, the nature of the story is that no lil cal means none of the kids exist in the first place. i know this is just a silly au idea and its fun to consider those, but i hold pretty strongly to the alpha timeline’s immutability because the fact that the story HAS to go the way it does for Lord English to exist, and thus for the cast to exist since he creates their worlds, is in fact the very nature of Lord English as an antagonistic force and the core of Homestuck as a story.

I really feel the need to stress this because a lot of people seem to regard LE as a weak villain and I think its absolutely crucial to understanding whats to come. If you don’t understand Lord English, you don’t understand Homestuck. Anyone escaping Lil Cal is, by design, impossible. Dave could never have had a good life and Bro could never have grown up without Cal and both of those facts are true directly as a result of Lord English willing it to be so. And that’s evil. 

Also Gamzee doesn’t go “crazy”. He’s just an evil asshole. I’ll probably post about that over the next week–maybe even tomorrow if I find the time, but theres other stuff I want to write about then. Or maybe I did already? I think I might have. 

bro showing up would be fuckin great because even though he is possibly brainwashed and definitely unfit for parenting he’s still my favorite guardian? he’s just so fascinatingly terrible. some things tho: dirk still has smuppets, so those aren’t on bro, those just seem like a dirk thing. Saw’s a cal thing probably yeah. but dirk also sends jake the strifebot, & yeah jake asked for someone to rumble with, but there’s like this go hard or go home thing both dirk and bro show in “training” matters

Jake didn’t just want someone to tumble with, he wanted adventures. Which is what Dirk set out to provide. I’ve written several essays on this. I don’t feel theres any evidence Dirk was as motivated by imposing training on Jake as he was by trying to give Jake what Jake LOUDLY said he wanted. 

If it was about training: Why not train Jane with lil seb, too? She was in as much danger as Jake, would also have to play the game, and was WAY less prepared than Jake was to begin with. So see, Dirk as this ruthless trainer figure just doesnt add up to me at all. 

Also Jake likes the brobot, it’s AR he actually had a problem with and Dirk wasn’t in charge of AR.

Also Dirk likes smuppets but smuppets aren’t….nefarious? Theres nothing problematic about smuppets as long as they’re not forced on a child along with snuff films, they’re just silly vaguely phallic puppets he likes lol. Know who else likes smuppets? Jake and Grandpa. Pa’s keeping an absolutely huge one stuffed in the basement–its in the background.

Bro has one distinguishing interest from Dirk, and it’s also the evil nefarious one: SAW. There’s little reason to ascribe it anywhere but to Caliborn.

if i haven’t read through all of homestuck yet is hiveswap still good and fun? i want to get it but i’m kind of on the fence since homestuck is so long that i won’t be finishing it within the next month

Yeah just dive in. You dont need to know anything about Homestuck to enjoy it–plenty of Non-Homestuck streamers are doing so right now. and if youre some of the ways in you’ll likely get something out of the references, too.

Besides its an episodic game and act 1 is only a couple hours. You can just finish act 1 and you’ll have at least a couple months to finish catching up before act 2 drops. 

oh yeah I’m not saying like, the guardian versions are EVIL, at least for the most part (looking at you bro) and at least not deliberately, like, we know grandpa knows what’s going down, but that doesn’t mean he’s not still pretty much terrible anyways (bro’s situation with cal is so. idk clearly there was probably some fuckery there but We Just Don’t Know how much is on cal because dirk DOES show some of those same tendencies so how much of it is cal and how much bro is ? hard to say)

I used to think the question was unanswerable and I didnt think Cal had much influence on Bro at all. 

I don’t think Dirk really demonstrates his proclivities, but AR certainly does, and is a good example of what Dirk is like when isolated and unable to connect to his friends, 
so I thought the isolation and self-destruction was enough to explain Bro’s descent. 

Then @jadedresearcher pointed out something kind of obvious:

Dirk has no interest in SAW, like Bro exhibits. SAW has always been Caliborn’s thing.
So I think Cal’s influence was substantial. Finding out the specifics about that is part of what I’m interested in seeing in Hauntswitch, assuming Bro shows up. 

What makes you think the earth cult is the same cult the subjugglators make up (if you’ll excuse the unintentional allusion to a clown’s face)?

We’ve already got Lord English references all over the place, and LE has always had three main prongs of underlings so to speak: 

Doc Scratch & Whoever he commands at any given moment–usually the Felt. 

His Witch figure, IE: Handmaid/Condesce. 

And the cult that worships him–the Subjugglators, Kurloz, Meulin & other acolytes in the bubbles, and Gamzee.

We’ve always known the Condesce was on B1 for years before disappearing for the Alpha universe, but nothing much came of her involvement in B1 in the comic. And we never learned too much about the cult’s specifics, either. Given that Scratch is already involved in Hiveswap, and that Joey already wondered if some of the kids at the school were evil (and referred to them as clowns), it makes sense to think Jude is right about the cult and they’ll be the primary opposition in Hauntswitch.

Hence, we’ll learn about the Guardians and the Cult in one fell swoop.