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I-It’s Not Like I Want To Understand Your…

I personally feel like OP may have ignored significant sections of Karkat’s character development when writing this post (for instance, his fears of being outed as a mutantblood, and other things which fuel/demonstrate his intense insecurities).

After reading the addendum, I think I understand why they did it, but I still don’t think I agree with it fully. 😛

I’m not entirely sure I follow. Like I know she didnt talk about those parts, but this look at Karkat’s character was pretty specific in scope, and nothing she said directly contradicted that aspect of Karkat’s character.

Not every metapost has to address every single element of a characters story, imo? My own post probably falls short on that front too, cause i didnt really talk about Karkat’s fears of being exposed either. So like you’re right, im just not sure where you feel it weakened the argument.

I-It’s Not Like I Want To Understand Your Character Or Anything, Baka!!!

saccharinescorpion:

Or: So I Realized Why I’m Not All That Fond of Karkat

Or maybe it’s better to say, why I’m surprised that other people like Karkat

Alex, Mickey, and any other people not caught up with Homestuck: here there be spoilers

Here’s a surprising thing I want to suggest: Karkat, for most of the comic, has very little effect on the plot. 

I know this seems a bit weird to think of at first–I mean, he interacts with so many characters, and he’s very close to being a protagonist! But, let’s think for a second. Most of his influence in the story is based on character over plot.

In Hivebent, by needling Terezi he gets to the position of leader of the Red Team, and later the combined team. But his duties boil down essentially to helping the others with their issues, usually romantic in nature. For all his bluster and bragging, Karkat is a nice guy—not a “Nice Guy,” but a decent good person who happens to be male. He is a rarity among trolls, and his personality allows him to keep the team together through the game without letting themselves get caught up in their own personal dramas. He is an archetype that TvTropes refers to as “The Heart.”

It’s an important role, especially with his group of misfits. But it actually has little baring on the plot.

Now, let’s look at him post-Hivebent. And let’s take a few glances towards Hivebent. There’s quite a bit of examples I could use for this part, but I’d like to focus on the four people he has his most significant interactions with: Gamzee, Jade, John, and Terezi. His constant assurances that he is not Gamzee’s friend, his convulted Griefer/White Knight triangle of a relationship with Jade and his past and future selves, his misguided(?) hate-based attraction towards John and later staunch denial of such a thing, and his….everything with Terezi.

In it’s simplest form, KK’s relationship with all the people, and several others (see Kan, Sollux) can be summed up as such:

CG: I HATE YOU, YOU SUCK

CG: WAIT OH SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU

CG: OH GOD NO NO NO NO NO

Obviously it’s a bit more complex that THAT, but in the simplest form, Karkat can be classified as a Tsundere: harsh and abrasive on the outside, soft and caring within. I usually wouldn’t fall back on overtly simplified character types, especially those of a “TvTropes” vernacular, but this particular term will be significant later on! So, allow me this a moment.

So. For a good deal of the story, KK didn’t really affect the plot in any story changing way, other than his mediating and his…Tsundereness. (ugh, hopefully I won’t have to use this too long)

But then!

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Karkat’s biggest role in the story, the culmination of his mediation and “tough love”: the pacification of Gamzee. This was a really good arc in that instead of resorting to killing as everyone else had so far, Karkat followed his ancestor’s footsteps to bring about an answer that DIDN’T have to result in more heartache. 

But there’s something about the way he calmed Gamzee. Where else have you seen an emotional, harsh-but-secretly-sweet character calm their friend/ possible love interest (who, based on the dynamics of moirailliegence, Gamzee is) who is going through a breakdown through a tender hug?

Why, just about

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just about

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just about

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just about EVERY SHOUNEN ANIME EVER!

See, this is The Big Secret I’ve realized about Karkat: he has the traits of basically every Shounen Main Female. He is abrasive. He is aloof and sarcastic. Yet he is easy to cry, and easier to care. There are references to his strength, but it’s only really ever seen in passing. He is the glue that holds the other characters together. He has complex love-hate relationships with those he cares about most. His biggest impacts on the plot have to do with helping others. In short, he is a very emotional character, and a very emotion-based character, which is fitting of the character based around the sign of Cancer.

So, what you’re probably asking is: “what was the point of all this Latia?” Like I said before, I don’t hate Karkat, I just don’t like him as much as I do other characters. But, I am very surprised he is a fan-favorite.

Why?

Like I said, Karkat is basically every Shounen Main Female ever. And I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but those girls aren’t exactly

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aren’t exactly

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aren’t exactly

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aren’t exactly POPULAR!

You see, in my years of Liking Stuff I’ve noticed that these types of characters tend to be the least popular (outright HATED( among fans and fanwork (except in porn, haha), and these types of characters tend to be female! Female characters who have turbulent love-hate relationships with others are “bitches,” female characters who cry or are scared are “weak”, female characters who tend to focus on keeping the group together over fighting are “useless.”

So why does no one ever bring these arguments up when the character is male?

Another good example: Mai and Zuko from Avatar The Last Airbender. A popular fancomic once pointed out that their temperments (surly, sarcastic, pessimestic) were very similar, and yet one character was loved by fans and one was usually hated for being the other’s love interest.

Guess which was a boy and which was a girl.

Now, a majority of Homestuck fans are fairly mature, and yet we still have these rather sexist roots that still rear ugly heads. Vriska is an irredemable homicidal bitch, Gamzee is a badass psycho clown with a tragic motive. Feferi is an annoying skank who toyed with her morial,  Eridan is a cute tragic woobie killer who can be saved. Jade is annoying and weird, John is cute and lovable. Rose is boring and dull, Dave is cool and funny.

And Karkat is everybody’s favorite Tsundere nubby horned pwecious baby.

Basically, I find it fascinating that AH gave these traits to a boy and made an interesting character. And I find it more fascinating that people were drawn to a more emotional character. And that’s great.

But I just wonder: would people still like Karkatina?

This is the question we must ask ourselves.

e: an addendum!

This is the original post that a good chunk of my Davekat post is based off, and man i am still fuckin floored at how on point and relevant it is considering it was written in 2011.

And like latias writing flow is just so readable and accessible and aaaaaah i love everything about this fuckin post, i hope i managed to do it a small degree of justice.

Anyway, please do yourself a favor and read pheonix flair and/or check out latias awesome comics–I’m a big fan of The Ghosts of Dolores Delmudo and Un Cien, Una Semana in particular. I need to play Us Lovely Corpses but i already know its gonna be excellent, im just too busy to live.

Hephaestian Shonen; Abraxian Tsundere – optimisticDuelist – Medium

==>OD: Engage Davekat Meta

CG: ABOUT GODDAMN BLOODY TIME, ISN’T IT?
TG: bro we’re like fuckin inscrutable by design, cut the dude some slack

Really excited to share this with you guys, I think it’s likely my best writing yet. Here we cover Dave and Karkat’s arcs, incorporating themes and beats from Hephaestus, Abraxas, Final Fantasy’s Cloud and Tidus, Naruto’s Sakura, Tsunderes in general, and the most important concept of all: Nakama.

Lemme know what you think! But also, I have a favor to ask.

If you like Davekat and this post moves you–please share it. Historically, I’ve had a pretty hard time getting my stuff circulating on Tumblr, for some reason. That’s usually not been a problem, since my Youtube audience has grown so fast. But Youtube’s been making some changes that have made my growth slow to a near stop recently, and that’s got me kinda scared tbh.

Because if I can’t grow my audience, it’s basically impossible to make this a genuine life-sustaining business for me. And the degree of effort and creative energy my content takes means I can’t really do it unless its a job, so I may not be able to continue doing this.

I doubt it will go that way and I’m not giving up til the bitter end, don’t get me wrong. But Youtube is by far my biggest platform, and the one with most potential-hence why big changes there are so scary. My only other hope for growth is here on Tumblr, and that hope only exists if people care enough to share what I’m saying. So I’m just lettin you know it’d help me out.
But no pressure!

Oh, and also, I need to give out some major props out to the writers who made this post possible:

Credit for the Dave|Tidus connection goes to Griever, author of @jojostuckcomic. Check out his fan adventure here, if you like Jojo’s Bizzare Adventure-it’s a really fun time!

And go check out everything @saccharinescorpion‘s ever made, too. Pheonix Flair is incredible and excellently lgbt, all of her short stories and games are amazing, her media analysis ranges from excellent to outright prophetic in this case, and she deserves the support.

Thanks for taking the time to read all this.

Keep rising.

Hephaestian Shonen; Abraxian Tsundere – optimisticDuelist – Medium

jamesroachmusic:

puptum:

My last student film is online!!! music and sound design by @hamesatron
THANKS & I hope you enjoy it!!!

i did the music and sound for my friends student film

I…this was really nice. And in ways that I really, really needed right now. Thanks to both of you for making it–great job. Check this out if you’re a person.
I believe you’ll find it worthwhile.

saccharinescorpion:

you look me in the eye and tell me Himemiya Anthy wouldn’t constantly make jokes like this

also  latia does the best jokes

EDIT: This wasnt ready to be posted yet I just fucked up the queue. but its still true, go follow @saccharinescorpion bcuz everything shes ever done is gr8.

also thanks in advance to her for writing the best karkat meta all the way back in 2011. Made my job immensely easier, which is to say possible, because i would never have had enough insight into anime to rly talk about this aspect of his character

GAMZEE MIGHT MAKE SENSE ACTUALLY — – optimisticDuelist – Medium

Here’s the script version of the last two videos on Gamzee, btw, for anyone who prefers reading to watching stuff. Part 3 has its own script that Patrons have access to, I’ll post that later.

Needed to post this now since I’m writing something related I’ll be dropping soon, probably tonight. Stay tuned :o)

GAMZEE MIGHT MAKE SENSE ACTUALLY — – optimisticDuelist – Medium