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stormsbourne:

revolutionaryduelist:

nuclearmentality replied to your post “You reblogged a post that said “the only harm [non-photographic child…”

of course, it’s important to not discount the impact of propoganda-type works on the course of history

however, more often than not they are more accurately treated as symptoms than as causes

To be clear, yes, that’s definitely true. My shock wasn’t at the idea that BOTN was impactful, it factually was. But trying to pin the stubborn and long-lasting horror of white supremacy, an ideology that’s defined the world for like…centuries, on a single movie? It’s myopic to the point of being dangerously nonsensical.

That was my point here.

a lot of “birth of a nation caused the rebirth of the kkk” discourse is completely decontextualized from all the many, many things going on in the us culturally, such as continued fallout from the civil war and reconstruction, which were both still very culturally fresh in american memory at the time. propaganda is indeed always a danger but a lot of “aha! fiction DOES affect reality!” arguments tend to ignore that the reality was already there – and the fact that the reality was there is what allowed the fiction to exist in the first place. america was already racist. germany had already been slowly immersed in a tide of antisemitism and racism before nazi propaganda became commonplace. jaws was based on actual shark attack scares up and down the coast and did not, on its own, cause a mass slaughter of sharks. 

this is without getting into the fact that tumblr kids tend to consider propaganda and regular mainstream mass-marketed fiction and niche indie-produced fanfiction as being all on the same level of influence over the world, somehow. 

last discourse i’m doing on this honestly, this breaks it down too well not to boost. 

nuclearmentality replied to your post “If AO3 is unsafe for you, I will build you an archive of your own.”

somehow this seems a bit opposite the views espoused by your earlier reblog re: pedo fics…

idk tho : P

My logic is that if antis/people who Seriously Cannot Deal with dark fic’s mere existence on their platform, even tagged, instead had their own platform to use designed for their needs and preferences, they could leave AO3 the hell alone for the people who do need to use it, or want to–which frankly is probably gonna be the majority of fandom.

I’m interested in enabling all people to coexist in the state most comfortable and humane for everyone. If those who feel unsafe in on AO3 can find a different enviroment that makes them happy and means we can all coexist in peace, I’m all for it, as long as AO3 proper still exists.

The protection of AO3 as a platform is all I care about here. I don’t think we’re going to convince antis not to care about the stuff they care about, so I’m trying out the meager hope that possibly having their own community to control their way will enable them to leave the rest of us alone already.

nuclearmentality replied to your post “You reblogged a post that said “the only harm [non-photographic child…”

of course, it’s important to not discount the impact of propoganda-type works on the course of history

however, more often than not they are more accurately treated as symptoms than as causes

To be clear, yes, that’s definitely true. My shock wasn’t at the idea that BOTN was impactful, it factually was. But trying to pin the stubborn and long-lasting horror of white supremacy, an ideology that’s defined the world for like…centuries, on a single movie? It’s myopic to the point of being dangerously nonsensical.

That was my point here.

If AO3 is unsafe for you, I will build you an archive of your own.

shinelikethunder:

I’m giving the original offer its own post since it got long. Similar offers have been made by somethingoddinsod and hazeldomain, and I’ll edit this list if any more come in.

So here’s the deal: if AO3’s refusal to moderate offensive and sexually disturbing content is unacceptable to you, or you don’t feel safe there because of it, I will shell out $10/month for webhosting and do all the technical gruntwork to build you a small independent fanwork archive. It will run on WordPress + Writeshare + any other plugins you want. You, or the friends and mods you choose, will have complete control over policies, allowed/banned content, modding decisions, and every other aspect of running the archive. You’ll have complete control over the theme, tagging system, and other settings. The only thing I ask in return is that you not involve me in those decisions: my job is to provide the tech skills and funding and stay out of your way.

I’ll reblog later with some elaboration and reasons I’m offering, but that’s the gist of it. If you’re fed up with AO3 and you or your friends want to run an actively-moderated archive that weeds out unsafe content, I, a filthy degenerate anti-anti who nevertheless thinks you guys should be able to mod your own spaces, will take care of the resources end. Hit me up in reblogs or chat.

Hello! I’ll be doing a term paper at Uni on Archetypes for my course on “Theories on Personality”. I had in mind to quote Jung and Carol S. Pearson as per your videos mentionned, however I was wondering if you had any other leads? perhaps a collaboration over time?

I’m not sure what you’re referring to RE: collaboration, but I don’t really have other leads on that particular front! I ended up deciding that trying to claim the Carol S. Pearson connection for homestuck’s classes was overly cumbersome, so I’ve mostly dropped the angle until whenever we get canon Class info by way of a quiz or whatnot.

I still think it’s true, don’t get me wrong. But since it’s true, I don’t need to make the hard to justifyclaim that Rogues all have arcs that deal heavily in their issues dealing with romantic problems because they’re in some way based on Pearson’s Archetype of the Lover, because instead I can be like:

Yo. Check it out. Between Nepeta’s unrequited love for Karkat, Rufioh’s inability to assert himself with Horruss, and Roxy’s unrequited love for/sexual harrassment of Dirk and general longing for a romantic partner,  every single Rogue has an arc that deals heavily with romantic problems.

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And so does every Rogue roleplayer, like with Tavros trying to steal back the ring of life to propose to Vriska and saying this (^) in the same conversation.

Seems almost like being overzealously devoted and/or subservient to others in a romantic context might be something Rogues struggle with, and the Summoner’s/Rufioh’s influence on Tavros might have rubbed that particular trait onto Tavros for a while.

And it’s just generally less of a pain in the ass for everybody to think about this way, you know? More efficient. That said, that’s Pearson’s more hyperspecific contribution. If you want to talk about Homestuck, Jung will keep you busy for days.

The collective unconcious, Classes as archetypes, synchronicity, maybe even Active|Passive by way of Jung’s introversion/extroversion theory, though I’m not sure how much I buy that one. There’s plenty to look into and work off there.

You reblogged a post that said “the only harm [non-photographic child porn] can do is if you read it” and I think that’s an irresponsible view for an author to hold. Fiction does affect reality, or good minority representation wouldn’t be important, Birth of a Nation wouldnt have led to a resurgence in the KKK, etc. Writers have an obligation to keep in mind what kind of impact their work will have on the people who read it, and normalizing sexual relationships with children is harmful.

annleckie:

nkjemisin:

annleckie:

Really? You think I haven’t thought about this issue? Is a story about recovery or dealing with trauma, is that “normalizing sexual relationships with children”? Should that be forbidden? Is that harmful? Should someone trying to deal with their own trauma by writing fiction that addresses it directly, should that be forbidden because it’s harmful? 

Should I write only the sunniest, most proper fiction that never mentions anything disturbing or awful just in case some reader, somewhere, takes it as normalizing that awful? Is it my job to purge my work of anything that some kid, somewhere, might take in a way I didn’t intend and maybe be messed up by? Fuck no. Because let’s be 100% clear here, you actually can’t entirely predict what a reader will take away from a piece.  One does one’s best. And I can’t tell another writer what to write, I can only tell them to be sure they mean to write what they write. 

And the problem here is the sweeping condemnation of, what, the number of fics with particular tags? Seriously? As if it’s that simple?

Are you absolutely sure that every work tagged “pedophilia” on AO3 is wankfodder? Every one? None of them are stories where characters experience and process it, or just talk about it? None of them are stories where the authors are trying to process their own experiences? It’s never permissible to even mention pedophilia, lest someone be influenced wrongly? Should survivors never talk about or fictionalize their experiences? Really?

Do not lecture me on the responsibilities of authors–I have thought long and hard on the issue, and have come to the very considered conclusion that I have no interest in purity tests.  Rape is bad, but not all stories about rape are bad. Racism is bad but not all stories about racism are bad. Pedophilia is bad but…you get the picture. Just saying “look at all these fics tagged “pedophilia” AO3 is doing a bad thing hosting them!” is so incredibly stupid I just don’t know where to begin. Are some of those fics toxic? Surely. Pretty  much every other tag has toxic fics in it, too. Are all of them? I seriously have my doubts.  

I am prepared to say that adults having sex with kids is bad, no nuance. I am NOT prepared to say that any fic about that topic is unambiguously bad. Because that’s not true.

I’m not in the business of telling people what to read or what to write. And you can take your list of things people somehow can’t write about because they’re bad and fuck all the way off.

What she and Foz said. And as to the anon’s point of fiction affecting reality re “Birth of a Nation” helping the KKK – let’s be super-clear, here, everyone. BoaN by itself did not resurrect the KKK. A toxic combination of economic motives, political cynicism, cowardice on the part of supposedly non-racist white people, and vicious opportunism caused that. BoaN was simply the best propaganda available for use by white supremacists who already existed, and who had long before implemented Black Codes and the Lost Cause myth and other means of retrenching America’s racist caste system. If BoaN hadn’t happened along when it did? The KKK would have found, or made, something else to use as its rallying cry.

Do I hate racist art? Yeah. But I deal with that by a) heeding warnings about it, and picking when (or if) I want to engage with it so that I minimize harm to myself, b) complaining about it when the people who publish it seem oblivious to the fact that it is racist art, and c) when I’m ready, writing anti-racist fiction that engages with it.  I believe wholeheartedly in the notion that the job of the artist is to speak truth to power.  But truth is many things.  Truth is, sometimes, people writing out their rape fantasies so they can try to understand themselves better. Truth is people erasing the black characters from fanworks featuring their favorite media properties – and then getting called on it, and learning from the ensuing discussion. (Or not learning, and getting dismissed by a big chunk of fandom for it… and meanwhile, more quietly, truth is other fans learning from their fuckups.) Truth is critique, not blanket condemnation. (And not uncritical aggrandizement either.) This shit is too complex to handle with simplistic, black-and-white thinking.  Love it or hate it, discourse ™ is the way to go.

Word.

Also read @nkjemisin’s books if you haven’t already.

did i really just read “a single movie revived white supremacy” as if it ever in the history of america ever, ever died? i am literally agog at this degree of delusion

Hope (haha) you don’t mind me pestering you about this, but based on the official aspect descriptions/your analysis, and wakraya’s class test, i apparently slot in as a rogue of heart? how would that even play out? i’m imagining something similar to dirk ripping the soul out of aranea’s body, but on a less dramatic scale.

I mean I’ve written a lot of stuff on how Nepeta is Good, Actually, and all the philistines calling her irrelevant or useless don’t know what they’re talking about. Pretty recently in my videos, even.

Tldr davepeta’s existence in and of itself is a manifestation of Nepeta inviting theft of heart for the benefit of others (davesprites by way of freedom, or the audience’s by way of being blessed with davepeta? Probably both honestly)

Also Nepeta forcing equius to roleplay had serious potential for helping him grow as a person by forcing him to empathize with other identities/ways of being and self-expression.

so in a world not poisoned by LE she probably could’ve succeeded at helping equius be not such a goddamn racist redpill dudebro, enabling him to fulfill his true destiny as the bottom he truly is.

Davepeta actually literally does do this with arquis, since meeting them again is when he officially states he’s not better than anyone and never was.

That’s just one interpretation of a rogue of heart of course, so it could go other ways. Just pointing out that if you want an example to consider, the best character in Homestuck is already here