i feel like a lot of times my opinion of autoresponder is…the opposite of what the biggest view on him is? he is absolutely manipulative, and a lot of people could say this is dirk at his worst, (2nd worst) but the way i think about it more is actually.
autoresponder is dirk in his worst environment. autoresponder is a dirk who woke up one day, unfortunate enough to have been the splinter that was trapped in a computer until the foreseeable future. autoresponder is a dirk that woke up one day, and the only connection he’d ever had to other humans had been functionally severed.
the very people that kept dirk from being bro are the very people autoresponder LOST, and it was to another version of himself, coupled with all of those people he’d cared about not so subtly establishing that he was just a fake dirk.(just like another unfortunate orange strider, though davesprite had the benefit of other people insisting that he WASN’T the fake dave, and he was his own seperate person. autoresponder barely even got that, with constant reassurance from his crush that he was, in fact, Not Real.)
i won’t deny autoresponder was manipulative! not at all! but i just feel. bad for him. he’s an unfortunate dirk, that at 13, lost all meaningful human interaction he’d ever had, his bodily autonomy, and his future. and the worst part, is he was subject to another version of himself.
i can’t blame him for being like that, i really can’t.
I figure it’s past overdue that I said some things about how I think about Hal, especially if I’ve flown the coop as far as talking about Vriska, so here hope you don’t mind but you said this was ok to reblog
If anything I see Hal as a heroic/tragic character, Tragic in the sense of being ultimately Heroic but having a classic Greek flaw (in his case, his inability to grow up because he got stuck in a computer.), which is fitting since Greek stuff/Greek philosophy is both Dirk and Hal’s primary interest.
He strives to live up Dave’s image in his own way and succeeds as a Prince of Heart in a completely different (and sadder) way than what Dirk does.
I know I keep referencing the Epilogue lately but part of me hopes Davepeta will find a way to swipe Arquius out of LE, too, because unlike Gamzee and Caliborn who chose to be evil and horrendous Arquius made a legitimate heroic sacrifice that I think deserves to be remembered fondly and if possible narratively rewarded. I just don’t have a clue how likely that is.
Yeah Dirk and Hal are the same person on a level, and they tell us interesting things about each other and their relationships to themselves. I just don’t think their actions and choices should be conflated, because their actions and choices are different every step of the way.
I just really don’t get why one would want to reduce both characters’ complexities and relationships to one another in favor of a reductive “all splinter iterations are the same exact person” argument. It shortchanges both of them and how far they have to climb and the different struggles they’re presented with, imo?
There’s only one truly, completely evil Dirk splinter out there, and that’s Bro. I just don’t think AR’s bitter rhetorical banter–banter Dirk never reproduces and that he actively, intensely resents–should be the fanon basis for Dirk’s character.
I also think casting either as ruthless masterminds is mischaracterizing Dirk by a considerable margin and Hal by a not insignificant one. Both versions of the dude are better than fandom thinks, and while Hal did some incredibly terrible shit to Jake AND Dirk that Dirk very much did not do, there were still severe extenuating circumstances to Hal worth considering.
Dirk grows into a far worse person when he’s cut off from other people, yeah, but that’s not due to some Intrinsic Evil on Dirk’s part–or on Hal’s. It’s a running theme through the entirety of Homestuck. It’s not just Dirk that finds salvation in friends–it’s everyone. And everyone is more of an asshole, crueler and more possessive, meaner and more short-sighted, for the lack of having people they care about.
Hal’s “abusiveness” or “cruelty” as I see it is mitigated somewhat by the fact that his existential situation is so deeply, truly, PROFOUNDLY shitty, and that there’s not even a fair target for it (not even Dirk because Hal wasn’t even given the satisfaction of being planned, his sentience was an accident), but it’s also kind of cruelly OUTSIZED because at the end of the day Hal is really just…a 13 year old with way too much knowledge, which turns into way too much power.
Hal is as cruelly warped as Grimbark Jade or Crockertier Jane, basically–shortchanged of any relationships or honest, equal expression to others, all he has is the depths in himself. He grows completely in touch with his abilities, awareness of the universe, and his Aspect but ends up totally isolated as a result as well.
The weirdest thing is homestuck fans who insist that they like “(Vriska)” because she’s nice, but hate “Vriska” because she’s so mean and bitchy
like they’re the same fuckin person that’s the point!
the point of (vriska) isn’t to show that vriska is somehow capable of becoming a nice girl!
it’s to show that underneath all the defenses and walls and bad attitudes that vriska constructs around herself – she is just a really nice and loving – and very vulnerable girl who devotes everything to people she cares about. And Vriska is terrified of that because showing that kind of weakness and vulnerability is what gets you fucking killed or eaten by your own mom on Alternia.
Like I see SO MANY people who are in the “Vriska is an evil bitch and I hate her” camp go on to reblog pictures of Vriska crying and wearing knee-high chucks and talking about how “(Vriska)” should be protected.
They’re two sides of the same fucking person. That bitchy girl you hate is the same person as that nice crying girl you want to protect! You can’t understand one without understanding the other.
I mean I think (Vriska) tells us a lot ABOUT Vriska and that we can learn a lot about Vriska’s motivations and feelings about her…
But Vriska hasn’t learned those things yet. That’s the point. The living, Alpha iteration of Vriska doesn’t act the way (Vriska) does. She prioritizes different things and makes different choices, even if she has similar feelings deep down.
Those choices then go on to have negative effects on people like Terezi— Tavros especially who she KEEPS mistreating even after as she claims she’s made amends for the stuff she did wrong to him before and that Tavros should be grateful.
Personally I kind of hope Vriska and (Vriska) are both saved in canon somehow (I think Terezi could make that possible). But for ALPHA Vriska to have a happy relationship with Terezi, she uh…needs to change. She needs to learn to let go of her defenses and her persona. And changes that drastic will make her a fundamentally different person–one who is more like (Vriska) is now.
I don’t speak for anyone else but right now that’s what keeps me away from Vrisrezi stuff while leaving me more comfortable with (Vrisrezi) because…she hasn’t done that yet. Alpha Vriska, in particular, just isn’t at that point right now.
I jdon’t think you can look at Vriska and (Vriska) and say they’re the SAME EXACT PERSON who can be used interchangeably in any context because…when presented with the same stimuli, they would each respond completely differently.
And that includes how they’d deal with Terezi? Like, short of some outright Mind powers coming into play, Terezi’s in for a genuine and intense struggle trying to break through Vriska’s facade. It took (Vriska) like, a literal eternity to get past all that or something?
Which doesn’t mean I think it’s impossible or not worthwhile but I do think it illustrates that Vriska is not currently the kind of person (Vriska) is, who is open about being caring and willing, to be honest about her feelings and about accepting the feelings of others.
And just like it’s weird to me to say that all versions of a character are TOTALLY DIFFERENT and you can learn NOTHING about one character by seeing another version of them, so too it feels off to say all versions of a character are EXACTLY THE SAME.
Homestuck is a story fundamentally about finding balance and keeping a balance of perspective between philosophical extremes. I don’t think you’re ever gonna have the right of it when you look at a question as complex and nuanced as “Does Nature or Nurture decide who you really are and at what point do you stop being who you are now and start being a fundamentally different person” with an answer as extreme as “All versions of you are exactly the same person.”, basically.
As for people hating Vriska…yea I mean :shrug: Some people get triggered by abuse stuff, just like they do with how complex the narrative surrounding Dirk is, and that doesn’t really put you in the right frame of mind to really objectively critically evaluate all the nuances of the characters.
I also know people who would say Vriska would be much more tolerable if the narrative didn’t seem to elevate Vriska even as she abuses and actively shit on characters like Tavros or even Jake who get treated like shit by her. Which…is fair, even if I personally think what the comic is doing is more complicated. And not really on Vriska per se, but rather on Hussie as an author.
Personally I’m hoping the epilogue ameliorates this stuff somewhat. Shrug
i disagree! i get what you’re saying, but (under a cut because this got almost embarrassingly long) here are my thoughts on the matter
can i just say it feels nice to not feel like i’m the only one who ends up writing essay length dissertations about homestuck by accident for once
I just wanted to clarify: When I say I think Vriska and (Vriska) are fundamentally different people, I’m not saying that I think (Vriska) grew to be more caring and decided she’d be happier as a better version of herself. Like, it’s not like her fundamental *feelings* are different or that Alpha Vriska necessarily loves Terezi less, it’s just that (Vriska) knows herself better and is more honest, because…
Alpha Vriska is miserable. She’s unhappy and misguided and doesn’t really know what she wants or what matters to her, and she tries to compensate for that in a way sort of echoing Caliborn–throwing herself completely into a constructed persona, only where for Caliborn it’s that of the Conqueror, for Vriska it’s that of a Hero.
I don’t think Alpha Vriska is, at her core, like…RAH RAH I LOVE BEING ALONE AND CUTTING MYSELF OFF FROM PEOPLE. I think there’s a level to which she really believes she is, but she’s lying to herself–and although she doesn’t know that, (Vriska) does.
This…isn’t even like, an interpretation. The comic literally says so through (Vriska), which I wrote about and am posting as part of the classpect analysis series I’m doing literally right now. (Terezi knows this about Vriska now, too– which is why I think Terezi’s likely to save her from herself, and likely (Vriska) from the bubbles, too)
I think I’m probably preaching to the choir here though, I just wanted to clarify before I get into what I’m TRYING to say matters to me here:
Who you are isn’t just about what your core feelings are–it’s also about the way you present yourself to others and the Choices you make. This is what the Heart/Mind dichotomy is about, in my view!
So yeah, in a sense, at their Hearts–Vriska and (Vriska) are the same person. (I would not say this is exactly true of Dirk and Hal, because Hal’s circumstances include having his Heart mixed with a supercomputer, and because Dirk’s personal salvation comes literally in the form of his relationship with Jake–which softens him considerably throughout his life.)
But the choices Vriska and (Vriska) make are different. If confronted with Tavros, (Vriska) wouldn’t treat him like Vriska does. And that’s why instead of getting the truth from Vriska herself, Terezi is forced to find it in a different version of her out there in paradox space–a version of her who is willing to make different Choices.
Maybe that gets across what I mean better? In the same respect (and I SWEAR I’m not trying to turn this into Dirkjake, it’s just that Dirk and Terezi have parallel arcs as the primary representatives of this dichotomy) Dirk and Hal make fundamentally different Choices too, that set them apart and make them different people from one another.
And over time, the sum of those different Choices begin to put both pairs of characters with different parts of their Hearts–Hal and Vriska tapping into their ruthlessness and desire to play out a role (and both of them being kind of emotionally stunted, to their own detriments because they still have feelings and still care on some level, as a result), and Dirk and (Vriska) tapping into their care for their loved ones and true feelings about themselves.
So yeah i dunno if im driving you nuts in circles or getting my point across any better, but it’s not that I think Alpha Vriska’s feelings are Inherently Different from Vriska’s–just that her choices and motivations for making them are still different enough to set them apart. And those are also worth noting because they are a big part of what makes up a person’s sum identity.
I kind of don’t have any doubt at all Vriska and Terezi will have a happy ending of some sort, though–I’m just very strongly of the opinion that if that happens for Vriska it should somehow include the ghosts, too–especially (vriska) and Tavros. Luckily though I think that’s the likeliest scenario. I’m unusually optimistic about this stuff (though I think I have good reason to be), and that influences how I have read the characters up until now.
Which is why I kinda steer away from discussing Vriska right now, because there’s pretty much no way for me to voice my thoughts without coming off annoying and frustrating to people I feel like. So uh. Here I am woops sorry I can’t help myself I was writing about both of them the last couple days.
ANYWAY maybe i got my point across here. I see where you’re coming from but I can’t really BLAME anyone for having the readings of Vriska they do, though a lot of the time hating Vriska’s treatment of Tavros is actually hating Homestuck and Hussie’s writing of Tavros, a place where I think Hussie actually deserves (some) of that ire (i think Tavros’ arc is better than it’s given credit for.)
more i think about this stuff the more confident i am the epilogue will fix it though. just wish it would hurry up already.
The weirdest thing is homestuck fans who insist that they like “(Vriska)” because she’s nice, but hate “Vriska” because she’s so mean and bitchy
like they’re the same fuckin person that’s the point!
the point of (vriska) isn’t to show that vriska is somehow capable of becoming a nice girl!
it’s to show that underneath all the defenses and walls and bad attitudes that vriska constructs around herself – she is just a really nice and loving – and very vulnerable girl who devotes everything to people she cares about. And Vriska is terrified of that because showing that kind of weakness and vulnerability is what gets you fucking killed or eaten by your own mom on Alternia.
Like I see SO MANY people who are in the “Vriska is an evil bitch and I hate her” camp go on to reblog pictures of Vriska crying and wearing knee-high chucks and talking about how “(Vriska)” should be protected.
They’re two sides of the same fucking person. That bitchy girl you hate is the same person as that nice crying girl you want to protect! You can’t understand one without understanding the other.
I mean I think (Vriska) tells us a lot ABOUT Vriska and that we can learn a lot about Vriska’s motivations and feelings about her…
But Vriska hasn’t learned those things yet. That’s the point. The living, Alpha iteration of Vriska doesn’t act the way (Vriska) does. She prioritizes different things and makes different choices, even if she has similar feelings deep down.
Those choices then go on to have negative effects on people like Terezi— Tavros especially who she KEEPS mistreating even after as she claims she’s made amends for the stuff she did wrong to him before and that Tavros should be grateful.
Personally I kind of hope Vriska and (Vriska) are both saved in canon somehow (I think Terezi could make that possible). But for ALPHA Vriska to have a happy relationship with Terezi, she uh…needs to change. She needs to learn to let go of her defenses and her persona. And changes that drastic will make her a fundamentally different person–one who is more like (Vriska) is now.
I don’t speak for anyone else but right now that’s what keeps me away from Vrisrezi stuff while leaving me more comfortable with (Vrisrezi) because…she hasn’t done that yet. Alpha Vriska, in particular, just isn’t at that point right now.
I jdon’t think you can look at Vriska and (Vriska) and say they’re the SAME EXACT PERSON who can be used interchangeably in any context because…when presented with the same stimuli, they would each respond completely differently.
And that includes how they’d deal with Terezi? Like, short of some outright Mind powers coming into play, Terezi’s in for a genuine and intense struggle trying to break through Vriska’s facade. It took (Vriska) like, a literal eternity to get past all that or something?
Which doesn’t mean I think it’s impossible or not worthwhile but I do think it illustrates that Vriska is not currently the kind of person (Vriska) is, who is open about being caring and willing, to be honest about her feelings and about accepting the feelings of others.
And just like it’s weird to me to say that all versions of a character are TOTALLY DIFFERENT and you can learn NOTHING about one character by seeing another version of them, so too it feels off to say all versions of a character are EXACTLY THE SAME.
Homestuck is a story fundamentally about finding balance and keeping a balance of perspective between philosophical extremes. I don’t think you’re ever gonna have the right of it when you look at a question as complex and nuanced as “Does Nature or Nurture decide who you really are and at what point do you stop being who you are now and start being a fundamentally different person” with an answer as extreme as “All versions of you are exactly the same person.”, basically.
As for people hating Vriska…yea I mean :shrug: Some people get triggered by abuse stuff, just like they do with how complex the narrative surrounding Dirk is, and that doesn’t really put you in the right frame of mind to really objectively critically evaluate all the nuances of the characters.
I also know people who would say Vriska would be much more tolerable if the narrative didn’t seem to elevate Vriska even as she abuses and actively shit on characters like Tavros or even Jake who get treated like shit by her. Which…is fair, even if I personally think what the comic is doing is more complicated. And not really on Vriska per se, but rather on Hussie as an author.
Personally I’m hoping the epilogue ameliorates this stuff somewhat. Shrug
Alright, I’m noticing some discrepancies between what I think and what you’re pointing to so maybe its worth clearing those up.
which is why i described dirk as a “prime contributing factor”. it wasnt solely his fault. but hes also not blameless, which, again, is what im getting at here.
Yeah but of course Dirk is a contributing factor, he’s one of four kids and they’re all pretty much inextricably contributing. I don’t know anyone who thinks Dirk is blameless–I just know people who think he got as much as he gave, and that the bad he gave is way overstated in proportion to the other Alphas.
an approach which dirk (at the beginning of his arc, as i specified in the op) explicitly agrees with, in his very first pesterlog!
It’s more complicated than that, and really I don’t know why you would assume what any characters say early on is the definitive statement on the feelings of any Homestuck character. Like. This is Homestuck. Come on.
Dirk tells JANE he agrees with that approach, rattles off a number of other reasons, and then says it’d be fucked up to stop Hal and that he owed it to Hal to let the program run as long as possible.
You could conceivably imagine Dirk growing out of the other shitty reasons he gave, but if he did, he would still feel obligated to let Hal have his way also. That’s a problem without an easy moral solution Dirk has access to, which is what he struggles with right up until he almost kills Hal.
Also by this point in the narrative Jane has also already talked to Jake, who explicitly points out that Dirk doesn’t like Hal, and wouldn’t like that Jane loves him.
and we can infer, based on what we know “jake should be more like jane” entails, that jane is/has been on the receiving end of the auto-responders mind games.
We can’t infer any such thing, because Dirk is clearly and demonstrably not in control of Hal in the first place. That’s the entire point of Hal. Even if he was, how would Hal messing with Jane’s head make her LESS skeptical? That doesn’t make any sense?
This besides the fact that Dirk is voicing an observation that he doesn’t act upon at all, he’s also voicing an observation that is…literally correct.
Jane’s ignorance and skepticism does great emotional damage to Roxy, who literally goes on at length about it directly to Dirk. Jake’s willful ignorance (which he frames around believing whatever is convenient to him) does enormous harm to both Jane AND PERSONALLY TO DIRK, including Jake making comments that make Dirk feel isolated and potentially judged for being GAY, not to mention romantically unreciprocated.
That’s serious shit to do to someone even if you’re only doing it because you’re a clueless 13 year old, and it shouldn’t be disregarded as part of Dirk’s character especially since…we have evidence that stuff bothered him.
you can chalk up the fact that we never see jane being played by the ar to bad writing (hussie admitted in one of his tumblr q&as that he struggles in writing jane, although those are now offline), or a deliberate choice – because jane says she likes the ar, shes not affected by it in the same way jake is, and so we would learn nothing important about her by seeing her reactions with it.
but i think your theory that dirk intended it specifically as a bodyguard for jake is flawed, too. because he made jane a bodyguard – lil seb – but lil seb didnt “stalk [her]” and “strike when [her] guard is down”.
As I pointed out up there I’m pretty sure I can chalk up Jane not being played by the AR to the fact that AR playing with Jane doesn’t make any sense at all, and AR’s mind games have nothing to do with Dirk’s thoughts or goals because he doesn’t control him anyway.
I don’t really see a reason to put anything on “bad writing” when there’s a perfectly coherent explanation that is backed up by later canon events sitting right here.
You’re missing my point with the Brobot, too.
1) It’s not that the Brobot wasn’t a fuckup. It was! But it was a mutual fuckup born of both Dirk and Jake’s mistakes, because…
2) The Brobot’s goal isn’t JUST to be a bodyguard, you’re right. It’s just also not to provide training, although it includes that function too.
The Brobot is more specific. Its purpose was to set Jake up with an adventure scenario, and Jake’s quest to hunt it down is framed at one repeatedly. Adventures prior to the point it was sent were something Jake always talked about loving but never actually did, because he was too scared of the monsters.
Dirk wasn’t trying to impose training on Jake–he was trying to help him live up to his fantasies of himself. The motivations there are significantly different.
Which again, doesn’t make it not a fuck up. It just turns out to be a relatively happy fuck up, because Jake actually likes the Brobot in the end anyway–so much so he internalizes the image of Dirk as a protector so strongly he believes in it above all else when the chips come down.
As for Jake complaining about the the Brobot, he does most of that in the context of arguing with Hal and wanting to hurry along his adventure. Notice how he admits to liking it and thinking it makes his life more exciting and adventure like when he’s speaking in confidence with Jane, and actually being honest.
The situations are parallel to Tavros and Vriska, because homestuck likes being self-refential and setting up parallels…more often than not to subvert them. There being some visual parallels–ESPECIALLY with flashes, which usually cheat to be more efficient to produce anyway–doesn’t mean there’s a 1:1 correlation between all the morals and power dynamics in a situation.
I don’t think this hostility is at all merited, but sure, let’s go.
Mom Lalonde is canonically emotionally neglectful, yes. Glad you agree. In another universe, Dirk was obviously a violent child abuser. I don’t think I’ve ever indicated otherwise. I despise Bro Strider and I am glad he’s dead so Dave can move on as a person. The idea you have that I’m somehow erasing Bro’s crimes is absurd.
My point is that Dirk gets burdened with Bro’s crimes (it used to be quite common to pass around the book 3 quote about Bro being abusive as proof that Dirk abused Jake) but if anything, Mom has had the opposite treatment.
Thankfully I think this is dying off, but you still see a lot of art where Mom is trying her best to connect with Rose and Rose just refuses to give her the time of day! Stuff where Mom is genuine and sweet instead of sort of passive aggressive (and yes, Mom is passive aggressive, and yes, Roxy is hella passive aggressive at her worst moments). Where the war between them was all in Rose’s head and Mom never intended any of it.
Views on that are varied, but I don’t think it’s misogynist or abuse apologist to express that I wish Mom’s neglect and abuse got the same attention from fandom instead of being waved off because Roxy is usually a kind and generous person. Dirk is usually a bit overbearing, but he fiercely loves his friends and outright gives his life to save them in a gambit he’s not even sure will work. Yet people don’t decide that Bro was a saint who just wanted to help Dave and loved him – and as well they shouldn’t! That’d be fucking horrifying!
But there’s a bit of benevolent misogyny at work in refusal to admit that a female character might have also been fucked up, instead treating her alcoholism and emotional neglect as “she did her best” and deciding that her daughter made up the passive-aggression all on her own and just didn’t understand. How isn’t that angle worrying to you?
My point isn’t “Bro is blameless” or even “Dirk could never do what Bro did.” Dirk could. His capability for shittiness makes his struggle to be good all the more meaningful. In the end, Dirk isn’t Bro, and that’s what counts. But shouldn’t we also hold this true for Roxy? Roxy overcomes her addiction and puts her passive aggressive tendencies and need for others to vindicate her by letting her help aside. Roxy grows as a person. That’s good. That’s wonderful. Erasing that Mom was an addict who was definitely at least a little paggro (the bronzed vacuum? the pillow? even if you think everything else was sincere, that stuff is over the top) erases how meaningful it is that Roxy overcame those struggles.
Every time one of these hot takes gets sent they somehow get worse.
I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase “Intent doesn’t nullify abuse” because I’m sure you’re one of the chucklefucks always spewing it about Dirkjake without actually looking at the story you’re talking about, so let me fill you in on my personal background cause that’s where we are I guess:
My mom was a little bit like Bro. I got smacked around a few times when things got really intense.
But mostly, she was like Mom–and she wasn’t an alcoholic. She was codependent. I was regularly in a position where I had to try to understand my Mom as an equal, because her behavior simply didn’t make sense. It was arbitrary and childish and sometimes petty, and though I knew she loved me it made trying to understand how things with her worked kind of a nightmare.
And yes, she loved me but no, she didn’t ALWAYS act in my best interest or in a way that was unfailingly kind and fair to me, because…she’s a human being, and those generally aren’t that perfect. My mom was routinely passive aggressive and I actively stressed out not knowing how she would act any given day she came home.
I’m lucky enough that once I left her house, we were able to repair our relationship. I love my mom dearly! But there’s still plenty of incoherent, bizarre shit she did to me that left lasting anger and that she wouldn’t even understand if I tried to bring it up, and that’s pretty much always going to be part of how I understand my childhood experiences with her.
My point is, there’s a reason I relate to Rose the most out of any of the Beta kids growing up.
My dad, on the other hand, is pretty much like Grandpa–neglectful. He loves me a lot and tries to help me out and give me advice, but there’s a lot about me and my life he’ll outright ignore and pretend doesn’t exist. Like…my LGBT identity, for example.
He does this because it’s easier for him or it makes him less sad about life or he’s busy or whatever–I still love him and he still loves me, but it also still hurts, and it means that we do not communicate and he was not aware of my needs. And that is still damaging, even if it’s not an actively cruel force. There is an absence in my life where my Dad should be.
Just like there was an absence in Jade’s caretaking even before Grandpa died, and in Jade’s case that absence existed because...Grandpa is a Jake who fully indulges his self-serving fantasies to ignore painful emotional realities.
And in case you’re going to ask for receipts on the Guardians, keep in mind Mom offers Rose booze in her strife animation and Grandpa allows his kids to play with loaded guns while he goes on pretend dates with dolls. Neither of these are healthy or well-adjusted people, and they don’t lend themselves to healthy or well-adjusted parents.
There’s one healthy parent in Homestuck: Dad. You can love your kids with all the force in the world and still hurt them. Does that mean they are irredeemably evil and that Jake and Roxy should be judged according to what they’re capable of? Of course not, that would be ridiculous. That’s the point.
Mom and Grandpa also accomplish great acts, like Bro does in saving Dave from a Meteor or having showdowns with Jack. I would argue Mom and Grandpa perform better ones because Bro is, in all things, the worst. I just don’t think it makes sense to apply that to Dirk any more than it makes sense to apply it to Roxy and Jake.
Sure wish whoever these people are would talk about this stuff and consider that we may be reading the canon fundamentally differently and in good faith instead of vaguing about and sniping people I consider friends on anon. Not making an excellent rhetorical case for yourself here, anon.
i want each and every one of you to look at this every time you’re about to say one of the protagonists of homestuck is “abusive” because 11 times out of 10 you’re taking 1-4 isolated events that took place over the course of YEARS and the characters themselves have gotten over it already.
stop throwing the word abusive around so much for god’s sake. it belittles actual abuse victims when you call every single flaw in any relationship “abuse.”
think critically and actually look at the characters’ relationship.
vriska and tavros? yes, that is abuse. vriska abuses tavros for the better part of the narrative.
gamzee and terezi? yes, that is abuse too. that one honestly should be obvious.
any of the human kids who are best friends and love each other with their entire hearts? no, that’s not abuse; next time actually take the time to read into the character’s relationship beyond a screenshot of a single line of text.
my love for this post is matched only by my love for op who is now my new best friend forever
Pretty much! I don’t think he’s the smartest character or anything either–I clarified in my latest post– but notice how you used the word *believe* there?
Yeah. Jake uses plausible deniability to dodge confrontation any chance he gets, and he doesn’t really think ahead to how that affects his friends until it all blows up on him. this is all canonical–like, Brain Ghost Dirk *is* his brain, and on the quest crypt he literally says so himself. I sure do wish people would stop ignoring all of that to make him into their woobie victim child! You don’t need to turn a character into a perfect saint to respect and feel for their issues with abuse. All it does is make it a lot harder to discern what actually bothers them.
@revolutionaryduelist i’ve been thinking more about the ask i sent you about the jake/brain ghost dirk/crockertier jane conversation in conjunction with the idea you wrote about in your essays — of dirk as the predatory gay stereotype
at the start of act 6, we have jane with a secret crush on jake, that jake has managed to guess through their interactions and things roxy has let slip. her crush is seen as mostly innocent, i think. jane comes from a very heteronormative place (see: her not realizing that dirk’s gay). dirk has a not-as-secret crush on jake, shown to us through the ar’s continual sexual harassment. jake is rightly uncomfortable with the ar’s behavior. dirk is described to be like a robot (unfeeling, cold, etc.).
jake admits that he’s not as heterosexual as he might have portrayed himself to be, he and dirk date, time passes, they have problems, jane gets understandably fed up, tricksters + the break up, everyone goes god tier.
here’s what happens next: jane becomes a robot who threatens to take what jake doesn’t want to give her by force, and jake reaches out to a phantom of dirk and wants brain ghost dirk to protect him from unwanted romantic/sexual advances (because dirk himself makes jake feel safe).
basically i just realized that from the start of act 6 to jake and roxy in prison, the jane/jake and dirk/jake story lines flip positions. heterosexual love starts innocent and becomes threatening, queer love starts threatening and becomes a protective force for good (see: game over timeline’s brain ghost dirk for way more of that)
fuuuuuuuck you’re making me want to write that entire essay about Jake and I’m doing other stuff so I can’t yet but this is fucking excellent and I hadn’t put this together in words at all yet
I also noticed recently that while people put BGD’s meaner lines on Jake, too, Jake explicitly likens the feeling of talking to BGD as being like talking to the AR, not Dirk himself, which is also interesting. just. urghghgh i want to…write…
[The subject of this essay concerns Homestuck, and in particular the fraught relationship between the Alpha kids, and in particular particular the tense codependent threesome of Dirk, Jake, and the Auto-Responder. As such this series features TRIGGER WARNINGS for depictions of fighting in relationships, sexual and emotional coercion, gaslighting, head trauma, philosophical and existential quandaries, and of course, decapitation. This one in particular also includes feelings of suicide, murderous impulses, and self-loathing. Tread carefully.
Bold denotes a link to another essay. If you see a message in Bold, please take my premise for granted, or follow the link and read through the argument presented in that essay before continuing. Homestuck is complex and labyrinthine, and I had to focus discussion of any one part of it somehow or else we would meander in circles for fucking eternity, and no one wants to end up like Caliborn. This was my solution, so please try not to counter my points with critiques I may have already answered in another section! Thank you.]
Considering how much I’ve written on the subject, I’m sure by this point it’s worth asking: Why do I care so much? What prompted me to write these massive essays defending Dirk from the murkier conceptions people tend to have of him? Isn’t it more important to be wary of potential abusers than to give a male character the benefit of the doubt?
The first answer is that I believe the common perception of Dirk Strider as an abuser, or in some way capable of hurting his friends, tends to lead people to the common conception of the Alpha kids as an inherently dysfunctional group that dissolves, and that they never had it in them to be truly good friends to each other.
This is the perception that the Alphas were doomed to grow apart, and that when Sburb calls them the Four Nobles who cannot form bonds, we’re meant to agree with that narrative and hope the Alphas can find comfort and satisfying emotional relationships with other people, rather than each other.
Similar readings happen with Jake and Jane being held accountable for most of what went wrong, too. It’s just that Dirk pretty much got it the worst from the fandom during the years when Act 6 was ongoing.
And that mentality is, frankly…a bummer. I like friendships that stand the tests of time and circumstance, and reading about cosmically fated friends being awful for each other and ultimately failing at friendship on every level is…pretty depressing!
But I don’t believe this is Homestuck’s core thesis on the Alphas.
I see the story of the Alphas as a story about a group of people who love each other cosmically, intensely, with all the drama and fanfare of a cinematic movie or a Greek mythological epic. And I see them as a story about how even that kind of love can’t save your relationships for you if you can’t learn how to communicate.
It’s a story with a promise of reconciliation and improvement, and that Dirk and Jake are back together in [S] Credits tells me that this is the narrative about the Alphas that Hussie believes in, too.
The second reason is simpler: Dirk Strider is one of my favorite goddamn characters in the universe, and I think he deserves better than he gets. Dirk is the only explicitly gay character in Homestuck (Kanaya and Rose don’t receive textual confirmation on the subject), and as a fandom, we’re HARD on him.
Dirk gets assigned way more responsibility, competency, and control over the narrative than he at any point deserves, and it costs him dearly in terms of fandom likability. It’s reached such extremes that I’ve seen many posts and even entire blogs dedicated to the idea that Dirk doesn’t love his friends, and that he isn’t in love with Jake.
I’m going to be pretty blunt about this: A reading of Dirk where he doesn’t love his friends is not coherent. Straight up. It’s at odds with everything the story tells us about his motivations and character.
If assuming that Dirk worked together with the AR or wanted the entry into the session to play out the way it did stretches Dirk’s character, then ignoring how he feels about his friends and about Jake in particular is something like a literary pretzel act that goes horribly awry, killing dozens of bystanders.
Dirk comes off as pretty in-control and deliberately gives off the image of being cool with all of the abuse Jake is subjected to by the AR, however, and that’s going to be triggering for some people no matter what.
Some others just can’t decouple the idea of actual fighting as part of a relationship without interpreting it as physical abuse, for any reason. Both of those viewpoints are worthy of sympathy and compassion, and if you can’t unsee Dirk this way — hey, I get it! You’re not morally obligated to undo your triggers for the sake of a character, as if you even could.
But I don’t really think it’s the story Homestuck tries to tell, or even the story Homestuck ends up telling. It requires ignoring vast swaths of Dirk’s dialogue and several patterns of behavior that are every bit as noble and admirable as his commitment to his image and desire for control are contemptible.
Dirk, like all the alphas, ultimately comes out on top as a deeply loving teenager who will do anything to protect his friends. He’s the best written gay character I’ve ever seen, and I think his story is worth appreciating. So without wasting more time, let’s look over what the narrative tells us Dirk Strider — not the AR, not Bro, and not Brain Ghost Dirk — feels about his friends, himself, and himself as a 13 year old supercomputer.
Dirk’s first pesterlog is with Jane, and as soon as he’s introduced, he’s looking out for her. Making sure she’s safe is his immediate priority, and once that’s established, he immediately revises the situation with the AR and Jake. He gives Jane several bits of rationale for why he allows their interaction to continue, not all of which sound good:
Note how even here, where he’s mostly upbeat and confident about the AR, Dirk complains about it’s aggressive suggestions that it’s actions and his own are one and the same. And it’s the final rationale that is the truth — Dirk allows the AR to continue doing what it does because it would be immoral to silence it. Not to train Jake to be skeptical, or to help it develop as a conversational partner.
This is demonstrable, because interacting with Jake doesn’t actually make the AR a better conversational partner. It certainly doesn’t make it a more enjoyable one. In fact, Dirk dislikes the Auto-Responder. Even early on in the story, he seems to downright resent it.
And it makes sense to say he resents it specifically for what it does to his relationship with Jake by playing all these mind games with him. I’ll lay out why I believe this is the case over the next two sections.
The next conversation Dirk has is with Roxy, and he has to deal with her being aggressively disappointed in his romantic disinterest with her. Despite the fact that he just committed his first murder and is currently stressed and unsure about what to do on Derse, Dirk goes out of his way to make her feel better about his feelings for her, even as she pigeonholes him into an understanding of his sexuality that he’s uncomfortable with.
(And while I’m definitely not saying Roxy is being knowingly cruel here, I will say, Dirk handles this better than I would have at 16. Having your sexuality put under a microscope is a pretty unpleasant thing.)
Immediately afterwards, we get our first interaction between Dirk and the AR, and the barbs come out in full force. The AR keeps talking to Roxy, explicitly blocking Dirk from reading the transcripts as it alerts her to the fact that Dirk plans to make a move on Jake.
Despite the fact that by this point Dirk is already losing control of the session, he prioritizes Jane’s feelings, making the time to connect with Jane and make her feel better about having hurt Roxy.
At the same time he’s having that conversation, he accuses the AR of flirtlarping with Roxy solely to spite him and fuck with his head. The AR places itself on the moral highground specifically because it can give Roxy romantic attention, and Dirk can’t — something which it believes bothers Dirk.
That is to say, it can at least provide the affect of heterosexuality, which Dirk is not capable of doing. And it positions itself as superior because it can subvert the queer part of Dirk’s identity, suggesting he COULD be with Roxy, if only he tried hard enough. And Dirk later admits this is an area where he’s emotionally vulnerable:
Which means Dirk is right when he says it’s trying to fuck with his head. At this point, it’s worth looking closer at the relationship between Dirk and the AR. Throughout all their interactions, Dirk is skeptical of the AR’s intentions. It’s not just that he’s an asshole to it for no reason — he’s bitter at it because he believes it does not have anyone’s best interests at heart but it’s own.
Again, Dirk is right about this: The AR absolutely COULD have helped him and Jane out here, and chose not to. Instead it opts to needle Dirk as his control on the session starts to slip. And when the AR takes over as Jane’s server player, Dirk’s parting remark is very specific.
Hey look at Dirk’s rationale for decision making coming down to respecting the AR as a conscious being again
Dirk implies there’s already stuff the AR has done that he regrets. And really, there are only two things it could be doing that Dirk is referring to. There’s the flirtlarping with Roxy, obviously, which Dirk voices clear discomfort with. But there’s a more obvious source for Dirk’s resentment here: The Jake thing.
Dirk pretty much says as much, much later on in the story, when he calls the AR out for pretty much everything it did with Jake, and the way it involved Dirk himself.
We already sort of went over this in the last essay, but it’s worth mentioning again that for the most part, Dirk was absent from the AR/Jake dynamic during the session simply because he was busy. Dirk’s plate is full between Derse, Roxy, Jane, and Cherubs the entire span of time he’s trying to organize the session, and he simply didn’t have time to check on Jake more than once.
It’s also worth noting that the AR is something Jake and Dirk have talked about before:
They just haven’t discussed it honestly. We know this, because they couldn’t have. So much of the AR’s harassment is based on the romantic uncertainty Dirk and Jake are caught up in — and in particular, with Jake’s perceived reticence to engage the relationship — that it would have no power over Jake if Dirk and Jake had ever cleared the air.
So what’s stopping Dirk? If he hated what the AR did so much, and he couldn’t shut it off, why didn’t he at least work up the nerve to talk to Jake about it? Especially over the course of three years?
Well, before we answer that question, let’s take stock of the image of Dirk we’ve built up.
I think by this point we’ve established that Dirk isn’t just good friends with Jane and Roxy — he’s downright loving towards them. He’s constantly looking out for their feelings, trying to help them manage their friendship with each other, and invested in their physical safety and health. He doesn’t try to put them down or coerce them into anything except arguably playing the game, which they all need to collaborate on.
He worries about Roxy’s alcoholism, and he makes Jane a robot for her physical protection, just like Jake’s. He wrote an entire novel for Jane, and Jake’s Brobot took weeks, maybe months of assembly. These aren’t just endeavors Dirk throws himself into for the challenge — they’re passion projects. They’re Dirk getting “carried away.” We actually see what this looks like in action, during the loving spiel he gives Jane with regards to Roxy.
And for all I’ve said about his lack of agency during the events of [S] Unite Synchronize, some of Dirk’s most intense demonstrations of love and trust are buried there. Which means it’s time to discuss how Dirk feels about Jake.
I don’t think the fact that Dirk wasn’t playing an active part in orchestrating the events diminishes the power of the trust he shows in Jake by literally sending him his own head. The fact that he doesn’t hesitate to wonder if Jake will pull through speaks volumes.
But [S] Unite Synchronize does much better than that. With no words, the sequence of panels between these two flashes do more to illustrate the depth Dirk’s feelings for Jake than any other visual or written storytelling technique in Homestuck does at expressing any other concept — save, perhaps, for the symbolic poetry of Brain Ghost Dirk.
Remember the lanterns on Jane’s planet? These lamps track the living states of each of the Alpha kids. Once a kid loses one of their lives — either their real self, or their dream self — their lantern goes dark, permanently. Jake’s lantern is unlit from the start because his dream self is dead.
I always kind of wondered what the lamps were meant to foreshadow, figuring they would serve some bigger purpose later on. Obviously, they’re a nice little bit of world-building detail — Jane is a Life player, it makes sense that her land would include ways to track the lives of each kid. But they do serve another purpose in the story.
They’re meant to show us just what it is that Dirk feels for Jake.
Let’s go through the sequence where they feature heavily — the leadup to and execution of [S] Unite, and I’ll explain how. Please make sure to click the hyperlinks for this section, and view the lanterns before continuing.
Both Roxy’s and Jane’s lanterns go dark in sequence, immediately after both of them are killed. When we reach the panels, note that when Dirk revives them during the events of [S] Unite Synchronize, their lanterns do not turn back on.
Dirk’s lantern darkens when his dream self and real self are both knocked unconscious, but it keeps shining dimly. It isn’t until Aranea wakes his real self up that it lights up again. Immediately after that, Dirk executes [S] Synchronize, decapitates himself, and the lamp goes dark.
Then Jake kisses Dirk’s head, and Dirk’s lantern acts unlike the others. Dirk is down to one life now, so it should remain turned off. Instead it lights back up more vibrantly than we ever see any of the lanterns shine, except for when the kids go God Tier, until it ultimately explodes.
There’s no God Tiering here, though. Just [S] Unite, which starts off with a dazzlingly, poundingly bright Heart symbol, in an aesthetic touch that will be echoed by the Mind symbol in [S] Terezi Remem8er.
This is a flourish of visual storytelling. Dirk and Jake’s corpsesmooch is muddled and horrible for both of them, and both have their agency usurped by the AR in orchestrating it. Even so, it’s also got the distinction of being the only corpse kiss shared between two people who both admitted to having feelings for the other.
And it empowers Dirk, literally — the same way it’s implied Jake’s faith in him empowered him to make the AR, which we’ll touch on a little later. The sheer intensity of Dirk’s feelings are such that they simply break the lantern trying to portray them.
But some people aren’t convinced by visual storytelling alone. Can we prove that Dirk loves Jake more conclusively, give ourselves something to point to in the text? And can the intensity of that love, coupled with Dirk and Jake’s communication issues, explain why Dirk couldn’t bring himself to talk to Jake about his feelings?
I believe the answer to both questions is yes, and to prove it, we’re going to put a microscope to their first and only conversation together in the entire comic.
This conversation changes everything about the context between Dirk, Jake, the Brobot, and the AR. It’s tone is wholly distinct from any of Jake’s interactions with any Dirk splinter, and it goes a long way in explaining why Jake regards Dirk as being so much more agreeable and helpful than the AR.
It also teaches us a lot about the root of Dirk and Jake’s problems, and the nature of Dirk’s relationship to the AR.
But I’ve written over 10,000 words to get here, so first we’re gonna fucking talk about how cute these boys are. Jake is fucking dazzled whenever Dirk says anything even remotely nice to him, and his ability to listen to Dirk talk about how cool he is without an ounce of cynicism honestly leaves me stunned.
Meanwhile, if Dirk sounds sweet when he talks to Jane and Roxy, then with Jake he’s downright saccharine. This is night and day from the interactions between Jake and the AR. Dirk and Jake tease each other and banter over movies, each other’s aesthetic tastes, and other things — but they’re never mean to each other. On the contrary,
While practically every other character denigrates Jake’s intelligence at some point, Dirk flatters it — countering Jake’s belittling of himself by mentioning how smart he is sometimes. It’s also worth noting how goddamn flustered he gets when Jake implies Dirk has thought about how to visit him.
And while Dirk likes to portray himself as hypercompetent in front of others, with Jake, he tends to play his skills down. And while many people doubt whether Dirk ever really loved Jake or if he just latched on to him as the only male around (Dirk included), it’s notable that what Dirk repeatedly seems to be drawn to is something specific about Jake.
Dirk is in deep, even at thirteen. Which tragically segues us out of the sweet, intimate, mutually bashful friendship we allowed ourselves to linger in and back into the flood of problems they’ve set up for themselves by 16.
By now, we’ve established that Dirk is absolutely in love with Jake. Not lust for the only guy around or condescending, controlling affection. Love. The kind of love that overflows lanterns until they explode and reduces a stoic coolguy to a stammering subject changer who can’t stop complimenting his cute, dorky best friend.
We’ve also established that, while Dirk doesn’t feel guilty about his sexuality per se, he does kind of feel guilty for how it affects the people around him. And what does Dirk know about Jake’s feelings, at 13?
Oh. Right.
In this pesterlog, Dirk tries several times to get Jake to open up, or leaves the door open for Jake to initiate a discussion of sexuality and attraction:
You don’t have to look up Manbro Bukakke Theatre. Just trust me: It’s very gay.
And Dirk is well aware Jake knows what being gay IS, because they talk about it right here, too:
What you’re looking at here is a gay teen making a joke about queerness to their best friend, and watching said best friend react defensively. This, in the fraught world of being a gay teenager, is pretty much as shit as it gets. Dirk rolls with it because Dirk rolls with everything, and it isn’t malicious behavior on Jake’s part, but that doesn’t mean it’s not harmful.
Between this, Roxy’s disappointment, and Jane’s total obliviousness, Dirk gets put through a fairly rough time for his gayness. If he pursues Jake regardless, it’s only because Jake flirts with him so damn hard at the same time as he slips his way out of any actual talking about sexuality.
Jake is every bit as interested as Dirk is, for the record — he’s just a 13 year old boy, and not ready to talk about it yet. He will be.
Still, the impression Dirk comes away with is that Jake is dancing around an uncomfortable subject, and that impression sticks. Dirk is getting mixed messages from Jake both throughout this conversation, and implicitly for the 3 year span of their friendship thereafter — further complicated by the sudden, unexpected presence of the AR. It’s romantic antagonism even reflects Dirk’s worries in this regard.
These are the ‘key subtleties’ Dirk refers to in his pesterlog with Jane. The fundamental diagnosis of Dirk and Jake’s dynamic is correct, here — but the AR turns it into a verbal weapon against Jake on Dirk’s behalf, without Dirk’s consent.
The only way to defuse the situation would be for Dirk and Jake to…talk about their dynamic. But Dirk has tried opening that conversation in a way that was comfortable for him years ago, and he failed spectacularly. Not only that, but in the wake of that conversation he was caught off guard by Jake’s initial poor reception to the Brobot, and was generally given mixed-messages mostly indicating Jake’s lack of romantic interest in him.
In three years’ time, Dirk has regrouped somewhat. But talking to Jake about this stuff is still clearly a big deal for Dirk. Something he has to prepare for, and struggles with thinking about. I mean, look at what just being asked to broach the subject does to Mr. Stoic Aloof Badass over here:
Dirk even admits it was a real concern for him later, during the conversation when he comes clean with Jane.
So essentially, as I see it, the amount of responsibility you’re willing to assign Dirk for the AR depends on how comfortable you are demanding of a queer teenager that he officially come out to his best friend who has already sort of demonstrated that he is not particularly receptive, AND to have that teenager confess their VERY intense feelings to that friend at the same time.
While also apologizing for the harassment and abuse performed on that friend by what is essentially a sort of younger sibling with access to all of said queer teen’s secrets, and the processing power of a supercomputer. A younger sibling said teen is personally responsible for, not unlike a parent would be.
It’s…a lot to ask of a perfectly fallible 16 year old boy.
And it’s no wonder that Dirk came off desperate and needy when he was dating Jake while trying to keep a lid on all those questions and feelings — He was worried Jake was straight, and only dating him because the AR bullied him into it.
Was it a mistake to avoid the subject for so long? Absolutely, and Dirk, like all the Alphas, made plenty of those. But I don’t really think it’s a particularly coercive or abusive act — just a teenaged failure to communicate.
But don’t worry! For those of you who do think this was another part of his abusive habits, Dirk Strider is right there with you. Because no one demands more responsibility from Dirk than he does.
Both are definitely among the things Dirk blames himself for, especially after listening to Dave’s speech about his Bro. He’s decided he’s responsible for everything the AR said and did, and that he’s directly accountable for hurting Jake, even for the things he didn’t say.
He reaches this conclusion before he even God Tiers, and it’s built up throughout Dirk’s narrative. He’s uncomfortable with the implications of sharing an identity with the AR, and sees his own feelings too clearly in it’s actions, leading him to conflate their actions as indistinguishable from one another’s.
His self-loathing and struggles with his perception of himself and his own capabilities, as he perceives them through the AR’s actions, culminates with a nervous breakdown where he stands on a rooftop and tries to perform ritualistic suicide-by-proxy while having an argument with the AR.
He sits on the edge of a rooftop for this. The symbolism isn’t exactly subtle. This is pretty clear suicidal behavior, and Dirk is pushed to the breaking point explicitly because he believes he’s hurt Jake to the point that he simply ran away and that he is indeed the same as the AR. He comes pretty damn close to killing the AR, and symbolically/kind of literally/probably literally, himself.
He doesn’t, ultimately — because it convinces him that it has actual feelings, and does not want to die. Once again, Dirk’s commitment to preserving life and making the moral choice when he’s in a position of power over another wins out.
But by the time he meets Dave, he’s still pretty much resigned to the fact that he’s critically, irreparably awful. Exactly the way Jake believes all his friends hate him now and that he’s destined to be alone forever. He’s decided he shares some responsibility for all versions of Dirk, that have ever existed — including Bro.
A lot of people seem to read this as a victory for his character, of sorts. Like, woo-hoo, he realized he’s abusive! He can get better now! And I think there’s value in that reading, don’t get me wrong. But as I’ve expressed over the course of this series, I really don’t feel there’s much that Dirk himself has done to put him on that level.
There’s plenty that he’s done that makes him bad at communicating, and stressful to be friends with — but not any more than any of the other Alpha kids. Which means what he’s really taking ownership of here is the AR’s actions, as well as those of his adult self.
And that he’s willingly doing that doesn’t objectively render Dirk Strider himself a canonical abuser, any more than Jake’s bout of depression means he really is inherently a loner? It doesn’t actually imply anything about how we should read his actions up until now.
What it does imply is Dirk’s commitment to a philosophy — namely, that there is an intrinsic element of “Dirk Strider” that he has to be responsible for, and that any bad action taken by any version of himself is one he’s personally accountable for.
What we’re left with, then, is actually a philosophical debate between two perspectives. What’s truly most important to your identity — the person you’re naturally predisposed to be, or the person you choose to become?
Should Dirk forever understand himself as inherently broken in some regard, fundamentally “bad”, but with the potential to rise to “Decent”, like he’s currently doing? Or is Dave right to judge Dirk based primarily on his own words and actions?
I would agree with the latter notion. The reason why is simple: the argument that a person’s Ultimate Self can be inherently good or inherently bad, and that a single splinter of that Ultimate Self should have to reckon with that reality, is functionally identical to the idea of Original Sin.
It means that there’s something intrinsic to Dirk that is corrupt in some way. That he’s deeply tarnished, in a way his friends are not, and he should keep an eye out for his harmful actions to a degree greater than others do, because his capacity for Badness is Just That Big. There is a level of sin inherent to his person that Dirk feels he has to atone for under this understanding.
And considering that we’re talking about the only explicitly gay character in the entire comic, that…isn’t a narrative I particularly like for Dirk. Especially when so much of his personal turmoil revolves around being unable to make his friends happy specifically because of his sexuality.
He’s feels guilty he can’t give Roxy what she wants, guilty he wants Jake romantically, and guilty he wants Jake romantically AGAIN, but this time because he knows Jane also likes him. Pretty much all of his conflicts with his friends feature his sexuality, and both theirs and his own inability to talk about it in a healthy way.
But more than anything, I don’t like it because it makes it impossible for Dirk to begin distinguishing between healthy and unhealthy boundaries. Dirk has seemingly decided everything he did growing up was awful for Jake, when that’s demonstrably untrue.
It’s a carpet bombing approach that isn’t actually any more nuanced or workable than it would have been for him to reject any possibility that he is in any way responsible for anything that went wrong. Which is why I’m glad the narrative, up until now, has landed on a middle ground:
Leave it to Homestuck to do so much with three snapchat pictures that I don’t know what to do with myself. The flower crowns are a nice visual shorthand to let us know both Jake and Dirk are dealing with the toxic masculinity and heteronormativity that kept Dirk from speaking up and being honest about his emotions, meaning Jake finally has the emotionally available partner he wanted. (And so does Dirk.)
But the fights are even more telling. This is such a 180 from Dirk thinking he was a completely toxic influence in every part of Jake’s life that it makes my heart swell at least three sizes.
Because the fact that Dirk would start a fight between them, and that Jake would snapchat it, means that they’ve talked about their issues and relationship enough that Dirk knows Jake genuinely liked fighting with the Brobot, and that was never a big issue in their relationship.
It means not only that Dirk is making strides in being emotionally available for Jake, but also that he’s accepted that there are parts of Jake’s past that he’s responsible for that weren’t inherently toxic and damaging. He’s begun to admit nuance and complexity into his understanding of himself, and he’s begun to really communicate with his friends along the way.
And goddamn if that isn’t the happiest ending to a story I ever saw.
Don’t get me wrong. I, like many, would love to see Dirk and Jake’s reconciliation and happiness together in more detail. (Hell, I pretty much wrote a small novel about them, just because I wanted to see their romantic reconciliation play out in detail.) I could explore this romance pretty much forever, and I don’t begrudge people who wish there were more!
But what we’ve got right now, as far as I’m concerned, is absolutely one of the best gay romance narratives ever seen in fiction, and I hope someday more people appreciate and enjoy it like I do.
And there’s plenty of future content featuring them to come, seeing as the snapchat could be giving us more post-canon content any moment, the Epilogue is set to heavily feature Caliborn’s Masterpiece, and Hiveswap’s trailer is in many ways a love letter to Dirk, Jane and Roxy from Grandpa’s perspective.
And after Hiveswap — well, who knows? Homestuck as a comic may be “over”, but if Hiveswap is successful, Homestuck as an intellectual property could go on forever. The most exciting thing about Homestuck has always been that I’ve never known what it was going to do next, and in that sense, this present moment is more Homestuck than ever.
I hope you’ve enjoyed this series. I hope it’s changed how you see Homestuck! And if it doesn’t, or you disagree with me, I’d love to hear why. But more than anything, I hope you’ll join me on whatever adventure Hussie and his team dream up next. Hopefully, things won’t ever stop from keep happening.
[The subject of this essay concerns Homestuck, and in particular the fraught relationship between the Alpha kids, and in particular particular the tense codependent threesome of Dirk, Jake, and the Auto-Responder. As such this series features TRIGGER WARNINGS for depictions of fighting in relationships, sexual and emotional coercion, gaslighting, head trauma, philosophical and existential quandaries, and of course, decapitation. Tread carefully.
Bold denotes a link to another essay. If you see a message in Bold, please take my premise for granted, or follow the link and read through the argument presented in that essay before continuing. Homestuck is complex and labyrinthine, and I had to focus discussion of any one part of it somehow or else we would meander in circles for fucking eternity, and no one wants to end up like Caliborn. This was my solution, so please try not to counter my points with critiques I may have already answered in another section! Thank you.]
Up until [S] Unite and the Alpha kids’ entry to the medium, Dirk is cast in a dim light. He comes off as lascivious, sarcastic and cutting, and insincere about his feelings towards Jake — pushing sexual comments onto Jake that he’s forced to respond to, but never responding to them himself, where he has to be accountable for them.
Practically the first interaction we’re privy to between Dirk and Jake is laded with this tense sexual attention:
Sure, everybody reading this now knows this isn’t Dirk, but the AR — but the initial reader is not yet aware of this! And Jake isn’t either. This is the first interaction we get with the character we first knew as Dave’s guardian, and he deliberately comes off as oppressive and domineering.
The AR deliberately misrepresents itself as Dirk, both to Jake and to the audience. It confounds the line between it’s own identity and Dirk’s, and suggests constantly that what it says and what Dirk would say are identical. This is something both Jake and Dirk himself complain about, even early on in the narrative:
Still, at first glance, it makes sense to hold Dirk responsible for the Auto-Responder’s actions — even if he isn’t personally responsible for them. After all, Dirk created the thing, and he maintains enough control over it that he can shut it off or disable it, if need be.
As the AR grows more and more possessive and aggressive towards Jake, doesn’t it say as much about Dirk that he let the AR continue it’s romantically aggressive interactions with Jake as it would have if he’d said those things himself?
At the very least, isn’t it damning to his character that he chose not to talk to Jake about it, letting Jake struggle in limbo trying to understand Dirk’s absence and the AR’s toxicity?
These are questions the narrative wants us to consider going in, already knowing that Bro was an abuser and primed to consider Dirk the same way. It seems to almost spell it out for us that Dirk Strider is a sinister force in Jake’s life, and that he is that way by his own design and commitment to his ironic, hyper-competent persona, just like Bro was.
The only problem with understanding the narrative this way is that it’s completely untrue. It’s taking hold of the set-up of Dirk’s character without internalizing the punchline.
Dirk is set up as a take on the Predatory Gay Villain archetype — or, at least, he was received that way over the course of the comic’s development by the audience. At the least, he was set up as a morally grey character akin to Equius and Vriska. But when you evaluate the forces acting on him over the course of the session, that’s not what I found.
I found a gay teenager who loves his friends desperately, struggling with being self-loathing, facing a philosophical choice between the lesser of two evils. A noble figure who did the best he could under the circumstances he was stuck in. A character who earned sympathy, love, and companionship.
Dirk actually had very little power over the AR/Jake situation, and while he definitely make serious mistakes with far-reaching consequences, so did all the Alpha kids. Reading Dirk as an abuser — rather than a victim of a toxic, codependent situation — requires assigning him a degree of skill and maturity that he plain old does not actually possess.
We’re going to explore why, and dissect the relationship between Dirk, the AR, and Jake in detail.
In this essay, we’ll answer the question of why Dirk could not simply turn off or disable the Auto-Responder as a long term solution to this dilemma, and explore the Auto-Responder’s perspective.
In the next, we’ll discuss why Dirk couldn’t approach Jake on the subject of the AR, and look closely at Dirk’s perspective.
You don’t have to agree with me, but hear out my argument and you’ll at least be able to decide with more surety why, exactly, you consider Dirk abusive — if you do — decide exactly what he is and isn’t responsible for, and determine what your comfort level really is with both Dirk as a standalone character and with his relationship with Jake.
Now that I’ve rambled on long enough, let’s get started.
The tone of the toxic, codependent triad between Dirk, Jake and the AR is set literally from the first line any of the three speaks in the comic.
In this small introduction, we get a lot of important information.
Jake expects there’s a good chance Dirk would be more cooperative than the AR. He’s wrong, in this case, but the fact remains that this is something he feels he has good odds about. So it’s fair to say he considers Dirk overall friendlier than the AR.
He also states flatly that Dirk doesn’t like the AR, and would not be pleased to hear it’s well-received among his friends. Meaning Dirk and Jake have talked about it, at least to some extent.
We know that this communication hasn’t been completely honest, since neither Jake or Dirk have come clean about their feelings — if they had, the AR’s domineering displays of romance and sexual interest wouldn’t have the power to rattle and throw Jake off they do.
Still, as Dirk gets distracted trying to manage the steadily increasing chaos of the session, and the AR gets more and more undisturbed access to Jake. Dirk sort of ends up using it as a proxy, though against his own will. It flirts aggressively at Jake, but always with a cool air of distance because, of course, he’s just the AR. It’s not the same as the real Dirk saying it.
The AR isn’t courting Jake, but playing matchmaker (or is it?), and bitingly wearing down Jake’s perception of his own intelligence and capability all the while. This also leads Jake to wonder if Dirk’s perception of him might be similarly negative.
Dirk, meanwhile, remains distant and distracted to the point that Jake can’t talk to him until after the session starts. The situation spirals out of control, largely without his oversight.
Jake is increasingly aggressively gaslit by the AR, and grows doubtful — about the AR’s intentions, Dirk’s intentions, Dirk’s feelings, etc. That web of intrigue and uncertainty grows so intense that it affects Jake’s mental image of Dirk, which makes Brain Ghost Dirk echo some of the AR’s derogatory commentary.
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Brain Ghost Dirk
We’ll talk about Dirk’s actual feelings about this situation later, but for now let’s consider the ethics of the situation on Dirk’s end. The AR is hurting Jake, and Dirk has the power to stop it. He could shut the AR off, disable or, it simply tell it to knock it off.
The problem with this solution is that the AR’s situation is miserable, too, and it’s a sentient being. It’s a 13 year old Dirk, in fact, stagnant and left behind as both Dirk and Jake grew as people. And one trapped without a body.
The only vector for agency the Auto-Responder really has is it’s voice. This means that the AR can only exist as a conscious entity if it’s being interacted with, and any actions Dirk takes to limit it’s speech are coercive and abusive by default. As a result, Dirk has decided to allow the AR to engage with Jake freely, despite not liking much of what it says.
Jake agreed with his decision, choosing to engage with the AR even though it grows increasingly more aggressive towards him. And despite both Jake and Dirk’s irritation with the thing, even after three years, he maintains an active role in this. He even sincerely tries to make friends with the AR the moment it seems to let its guard down.
AR
And Dirk wasn’t ready for this kind of responsibility. He didn’t think the AR would be a successful project at all, let alone a fully-fledged sentient being. That the AR is ultimately sophisticated enough that it is alive, now fully conscious and living it’s own separate existence, was essentially an accident. An accident that Jake encouraged by cheering him on:
This pesterlog exchange is the moment that comes the closest to having Jake and Dirk actually talk about their feelings about each other. It ALSO happens to suggest Jake’s Hope powers may have had something to do with the AR’s creation.
Dirk got carried away and made it a sentient being, but Jake believed in him every step of the way, talking up what a good idea it was. Neither of them considered the potential consequences, but, you know — of course they didn’t. They were 13 year old kids.
In essence, the AR is a symbolic child, in the sense that it’s a responsibility they share between them. Not necessarily because Jake shares any responsibility for egging Dirk on. But because it comes naturally for Jake to throw himself into Dirk’s project and agree that the AR should be treated as though it is alive.
However, while they both feel they owe the AR their attention and energy, both resent what it’s doing to their friendship. Jake calls it out increasingly aggressively, perpetually demanding to talk to the Real Dirk.
And Dirk is by turns irritated by and outright suspicious of it, treating it either as a particularly annoying younger sibling or as a potential threat to him and his friends. He’s bitter and annoyed, his tone towards it often downright acidic, even when it seems to be trying to help. He resents it for what it’s doing to Jake.
Unlike Dirk Prime, who considers his worthiness for his friends’ love in question, the AR knows for a fact it’s friends don’t exactly have much room for it in their hearts. Roxy treats it like a blank check Dirk who’s romantic attention she can enjoy without feeling guilty, and ultimately doesn’t prioritize it like she does her other friends.
It’s relationship to Jake is complicated because it remembers what it felt like to be in love with him, but has no hope at all of reciprocation, and always plays the second fiddle to Real Dirk. Jane is friendly to it, but just as she misses Dirk’s homosexuality, Roxy’s alcoholism, and Jake’s…well, personality, the truly awful situation the AR is in is lost on her.
All in all, despite Dirk and Jake’s best efforts, it has no one to actually talk to. Which may be why it ultimately ends up living up to Dirk’s worst predictions.
While the AR is indispensable in getting the kids into the session, it also exploits an increasingly complex and dangerous situation and wrests control of it away from Dirk in order to fulfill it’s own desperate agenda. Even as early on in the narrative as the picture above, before the Red Miles enter the picture, the AR jokingly refers to a pail. What happens during Synchronize?
Kind of a stretch, as far as foreshadowing goes? Sure, but that’s part of the point. It’s impossible to say if the AR was ever telling the truth as to whether it wanted to help Dirk. Maybe it felt backed into a corner by Dirk’s distrust and Jake’s antipathy. Possibly it was just able to react faster than Dirk to the rapidly escalating terrible situation.
But we do have to raise the question and wonder, because we just don’t know how smart the Auto-Responder is, or how much it really knows. I mean, hell, the closest we get to a quantification is this:
And we can’t even tell if it’s fucking with us, here.
Or perhaps forcing Jake into a dramatic, life-and-death, romantic confrontation — not with Dirk, but with itself — was a spur of the moment act of passion. We can’t really do anything but speculate, as far as the AR’s ultimate capabilities and motivations are concerned. What we do know is that in the end, when it’s presented with the opportunity, it acts.
The AR might not feel what Dirk feels for Jake, but it still remembers. And being caged in by the nature of it’s physical existence, stripped of it’s original identity, and given the power of a supercomputer only emboldens Dirk’s worst traits — possessive jealousy, desire for control, aggressive and derogatory intellectualism. It maneuvers itself into getting sent to Jake in person, where it cajoles and pressures him into kissing Dirk’s head, making sure to lay the romantic intensity on thick.
It also keeps gaslighting and condescending to Jake, all while answering his question in a way it knows he can’t understand. Deep Blue is the name of the first supercomputer to ever beat a world champion Chess player, after all. It also refers to itself as being in charge synchonization. of The AR is being cryptic and sarcastic, but it’s still basically copping to orchestrating this final scenario — it’s just impossible to know by how much.
And in the end, through bullying and gloating…
It gets what it wants.
Or does it?
Well, yes. Yes it does. But there is another narrative at play that I’m ignoring here, right? Several, even? Namely, one where Dirk willingly went along with the AR’s plans, or one where this really was Dirk’s plan all along, or one where they developed this plan together, on the fly — any narrative at all where Dirk shares some amount of responsibility for this, basically.
And my argument so far leaves questions unanswered. For starters, I doubt many are satisfied that Dirk ISN’T involved in setting this up as a romantic overture along with the AR.
If he was so opposed, why didn’t he do more to stop it? He is, after all, the hypercompetent badass who created it in the first place, right? And if he couldn’t do that much, then why didn’t he talk to Jake about any of it?
Next time, we’re going to focus on Dirk — the image that the narrative builds of Dirk, as well as the narrative Dirk builds of himself for his friends. And we’ll see these events again from his perspective, in order to determine if a reading of Dirk where he has agency during these events actually holds any water.