man I don’t think you can really say bro is brainwashed but gamzee’s just evil when you can argue that gamzee’s also possessed by cal. they even have really similar relationships to how he’s formed, ie part of their souls exist inside lil cal already. which is probably a good explanation for how lil cal is able to brainwash them when he doesn’t brainwash, like, dave, who is around him his whole childhood. idk, I just think gamzee’s more complicated than “evil ass hole”

As it happens, Gamzee has a line I never gave much weight to before noticing Bro’s SAW interest that I’m more inclined to take seriously now, that suggests Gamzee and Bro’s relationship to Cal WAS intrinsically different:

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But even if Bro is kind of a noble captor figure holding Cal back, I still wouldn’t think it excuses any of what he put Dave through. He’s still an awful dude.

As for Gamzee, here’s the main problem with reading him as “just” brainwashed.

Gamzee doesn’t require Lil Cal’s presence to go evil. In fact, Gamzee doesn’t seem to require ANYTHING to turn evil. 
But even if like, Doc Scratch ALWAYS teleports Lil Cal into Gamzee’s presence to trigger his personality shift, I don’t think it would matter.
The weight of the sheer SCALE of Gamzee’s devotion cements his place as an ultimately willing accomplice/acolyte to Caliborn’s Dark Carnival. 

And it kind of makes Gamzee fucking terrifying and a fantastic villain.

I’ll explain my reasoning here.

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We know for a fact that Gamzee snaps and kills all his friends in at least one Doomed timeline. This is the source for half the code used in the creation of Doc Scratch. There’s no implication that Lil Cal is involved here at all. 

But again, let’s assume Lil Cal was here again. It doesn’t matter.

Because there is canonically, explicitly, no timeline in the history of Gamzee where Gamzee ever, ever, EVER chooses to rebel. Gamzee Makara simply does not ever choose his friends over Lord English.  In any timeline. Ever.
How do I know?

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Lets talk about Ghosts for a minute. The fandom has historically kind of taken these guys for granted, and loose fandom consensus is that they aren’t coherent/who has what ghosts is arbitrary. This is incorrect!

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Pretty much everybody in the Bubbles that should have alt!ghosts does, including Meenah and Aranea, the two characters who’s alt!ghosts are typically presumed “Missing”. 

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This is important. The Ghosts kind of give us very low-key character development, and contextualize the characters for us. For example, Eridan is an absolute irredeemable bastard in the Alpha timeline. But in a God Tier iteration of themselves, Eridan and Feferi seemingly come to friendlier terms. In another, there’s suggestions Eridan makes up with Feferi and Sollux. In yet another, he seems to be Trans or exploring femininity at least.

The point is, there’s a certain fluidity to Eridan’s potential. Still terrible in the comic, but it’s important to remember that Eridan didn’t CHOOSE to be trapped in the meteor with Jack, or to be born to Alternia’s power system, or to be trapped in the Alpha Timeline. 

It’s important to remember these things because in Homestuck, someone with power–Lord English–deliberately and willfully chose those things FOR him. Eridan’s lives are lived in response to that imposed power structure.
These factors don’t redeem him completely necessarily

But anyway, the fact that the rest of the cast have coherent quantum expressions means there are only three real exceptions–three characters who either don’t have any ghosts at all, or should have more ghosts than they do. 

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The first is Caliborn, who’s timeline has exactly one deviation from the Alpha–apparently caused by John’s retcon. This riddle’s solved easily enough:
Predomination doesn’t leave a ghost to appear in the bubbles at all.
When Calliope says she ate his soul, she means that literally. 
Caliborn’s cheating in the Alpha Timeline is indeed the only reason Calliope exists in the bubbles at all.

(This, by the way, explains a lot about the relationship between Caliborn’s soul and Gamzee/Arquis’ in the Lord English. He predominated over them, too.)

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The second is Vriska, who only has a single ghost in (Vriska). This is really weird, because we literally know for a fact she dies in more than one doomed timeline! As with the two Calliopes, I think this is down to John’s retcon doing some weird entanglement nonsense to Vriska’s quantum existence.
The point is: Where others have a palette of possibility, Vriska has two extremely polarized halves. Schrodinger’s Vriska. 

Important to mention that just like Eridan, the structure of the Alpha Timeline that limits potential Vriskas is IMPOSED ONTO HER. Vriska didn’t want anything about the way she was raised or where she was born. She didn’t ask John and Terezi to retcon her into this bizarre state. Both Vriskas, like the rest of the cast, are rolling with the punches LE has seen fit to give. 

Except for Gamzee.

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Hussie literally tells us Gamzee never dies. His single non-Alpha Timeline death in [S] Game Over is retconned by John, and Hussie suggests it straight up doesn’t count. But that presents a problem.

There are thousands upon thousands of Doomed troll timelines. How is it that Gamzee specifically never ever EVER dies? Well, there’s only one real way that a Non-Time player can survive a Doomed timeline, that we know of:

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Dream self merger. By going to sleep as the last player present in Sburb, the Doomed Rose from Davesprite’s timeline triggers a game mechanic that ends her timeline completely and merges her consciousness with that of Alpha Rose through their dreamselves. 

If Gamzee survives his doomed timelines, this is the only possible way how.
And collapsing all of his potential instances into a single Alpha identity certainly sounds like the reduction of possibility commonly attributed to the Rage aspect.
But what that means is that to move on to the Alpha, every Doomed Gamzee must inevitably either snap and kill all the other trolls, or somehow outlast them. 

And it means that if any Gamzee had EVER, in the entire spectrum of plausibility the Alpha timeline affords, EVER been inclined to rebel against LE–then we would know. Because somewhere out there, that at least Hussie could see, there would be a Ghost to show for it.

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But there isn’t. Similar in this respect only to Caliborn, Gamzee simply has no alternate deviations because he doesn’t want them. He chooses the path that leads to Lord English freely and willingly, over and over and over again. 

And like Caliborn…

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Gamzee does this because he wants to. 

Gamzee doesn’t BELIEVE he’s going to become his own God–he knows it for a fact. He sees it in Lil Cal’s mangled soul. And he embraces that truth wholeheartedly, throwing himself into the acolyte role from then onwards and presumably following instructions Doc Scratch gives him throughout Act 6. 

Which we can talk about some other time. The point is: Gamzee chooses all this. Whether or not Lil Cal causes him to is beside the point, because there is not and never will be any timeline where Gamzee chooses to resist. 

Gamzee is the ultimate in shitty cosmic nazi religious zealots, and devoted to the very power structure that causes every other character to suffer so. There are no mitigating factors for him as there are for everyone else but Caliborn.
At the end of the day, he’s evil.
Bad clown. Worst enemy. 

Extremely minor point of contention: Dammek’s politics are probably a little bit more anarchist than communist, given the symbol on his wall and his overall attitude, although I don’t think he has a developed sense of either since his worldview is extremely childish despite the overall goal of revolution being laudable. Under communism, personal property still exists in concept and practice–Dammek seems to be fudging the line between personal and private property for his own selfish ends here.

That’s a good point. I gotta be honest and say I’m not 100% informed on either my anarchist or communist theory atm, though it looks like I’m gonna have to brush up. Thanks for the additional nuance! 

no, i was thinking of dirk. he built brobot and everything AR did was done with dirks authorization

Ah. Sorry for putting words in your mouth, if that’s what I did–I was kind of wired yesterday and I don’t remember my exact wording too well, so I’m worried I mighta come off that way. Kinda forgot this is a view people still have, honestly. 

Suffice it to say, I feel you’re incorrect. AR was explicitly not acting with Dirk’s authorization, since AR explicitly screens/blocks all of Jake’s messages to Dirk after the very first one that Dirk reads. And Dirk wasn’t even able to keep up with the circumstances leaving up to Unite Synchronize–his entire narrative is him being overwhelmed by the amount of information he has to process and unable to keep up. It doesn’t make sense to attribute Unite Synchronize to anything but AR’s design, especially since Dirk lays the events squarely on AR’s shoulders–despite being inclined to assume responsibility and self-loathing for anything he perceives as his mistakes–and AR not only doesn’t deny it, but actively takes credit for it.

As for the Brobot, Dirk certainly did build it, but that’s not really comparable to what Vriska does, and it’s questionable how much it lines up with Dammek currently. Mainly because Dirk was explicitly trying to give Jake what Jake very loudly, very boldly said he wanted, and as it turns out Jake demonstrably likes the Brobot–it’s AR he was frustrated with in canon for the most part. 

I wrote several essays on this already that can be found here, so you’re free to read that and agree/disagree at your pleasure. Regadless, I consider the “Dirk was abusive/toxic to Jake (and depending on who you ask, AR)” reading little more than bad, outdated fanon. 

Whenever you find yourself analysing Homestuck, do you ever find yourself analysing Hussie, too? (I honestly do it all the time.)

Sort of? In that I’ll occasionally use quotes hes provided on his thoughts to guide my reading. The dude is remarkably consistent about what he values, and some of what he says extra-canonically illuminates a lot of what makes Homestuck tick, so it’s usually interesting.

I don’t like to argue based off that for the most part, though. Homestuck telegraphs its own intent strongly and loudly enough that you don’t really need Hussie to understand its priorities as a comic, and taking those priorities seriously provides what is in my view easily the strongest/most complete reading. And since he deleted so much stuff I’m not sure how much hussie would LIKE his quotes being used, anyway!

So I try to avoid it wherever possible, but because of fandom’s unfortunate obsession with denying the plainly obvious, I am occasionally forced to point out a bunch of stuff the comic deliberately and painstakingly sets up and be like “Oh btw Hussie LITERALLY SAID THIS EXPLICITLY, YEARS AGO, PLEASE CATCH UP.”

I find that is usually not good enough either, however. I’m hoping the Viz media announcement might soften that layer of hardheaded skepticism?

Have you ever written an essay about vriska and (vriska) or are you planning to because your theories sound Amazing and id Love to read more about it!!!

I’ve touched on the differences between them a TEENY bit in my Class series, particularly (obviously) during the section on the Steal classes. I talk about Vriska a bit in the Create/Destroy essays, too, since her roleplaying a Sylph (and sucking HARD at it) is a huge part of her early arc. 

But I haven’t written about Vriska and (Vriska) SPECIFICALLY, mostly because there’s no way for me to do it right now without delving into speculation at the end since, ya know, the story isn’t over. And doing so would tip my hand as this huge vrisrezi shipper also and I just don’t want to get people super worked up for the potential way I think the comic WILL go in case i turn out to be wrong, you know?

But I’m starting to think it’s worth making a short post on like, the symbolism and stuff surrounding the two. It’s really fucking transparent honestly so I dont think it’d take me a mammoth amount of text. Hopefully coming soon??? ™

I think the thing most people are concerned about is that dammek will become another vriska. she was never fully redeemed, her pre-retcon self being treated as a joke for not being egotistical and getting feelings once she matured a little. She (retcon vriska) was never developed, keeping and building upon the horrible, horrible character traits that were seen as good in the stories eyes, and i think people are scared that hussie and the wp team will fall into that trap again.

That’s certainly a reading a lot of people have, and I think they’re completely wrong. 

(Vriska) wasn’t treated as a joke, Retcon Vriska was developed– in a totally different direction, not all character growth is positive–, and Homestuck isn’t over anyway.
As Andrew Hussie literally confirmed. Today. So I find the entire presumption that the story has said all there is to say about the two Vriskas kind of grating, honestly. 

I hope that doesn’t come off as antagonistic towards you, though, anon! I understand the viewpoint and for all I know you’re just voicing the fandom’s thoughts. 

But like. I’m not and never have been shy about thinking that the fandom has been really bad at reading Homestuck thus far, on multiple fronts. Which isn’t a slight on fandom! This thing has the density of the Bible–it makes sense that parsing it is going to take a lot of work, and it should ideally be a community effort.

But Retcon Vriska is set up as an analogue to fucking Lord English multiple times, explicitly and symbolically, and Terezi is currently en route to find her as we speak. This is a developing plotline, and it’s downright bizarre that the entire fandom has somehow endeavored to pretend otherwise. 

Possible Hiveswap spoilers, so only read this after you’ve finished playing I guess, But what do you think about the fact that Dammek has a camera in Xefros’ room? Like, what the fuck?

I’ve been seeing a lot of discourse about Dammek already so I’m glad I got this ask, haha.

I mean. It’s obviously, transparently fucked up? We know it, the narrative knows it, Joey knows it and loudly screams about it.
Dammek’s treatment of Xefros isn’t on the up and up.

This, by the way, makes perfect sense to me in a way. I don’t think this means Dammek doesn’t CARE about Xefros–I’m sure, after all, that Pa cares about Jude and Joey.
But caring alone does not make healthy relationships. 

On a related note, Xefros has numerous references to being a Page–I’ll be making a post compiling those soon–and Pages have a recurring motif of getting pushed around and “helped” by friends who care but overstep boundaries. To me, Dammek seems like an extension of the trend–the Vriska to Xefros’ Tavros, or the Dirk/AR to his Jake, so to speak.

What their relationship will specifically look like and how it will grow and evolve, of course, is still an open question. Which gets to the heart of how I feel on the matter:

I’m seeing a lot of people say they HATE Dammek now or he’s TERRIBLE and PROBLEMATIC or whatever at this point, and that seems like…really really jumping the gun to me?
It plain old doesn’t make much sense to build up all this outrage at a character whose flaws we’re learning about here, BEFORE HE’S EVEN INTRODUCED. 

Yes, Dammek is transparently, indisputably being an asshole. Dammek is also one of the protagonists of this duology, who will get at least four acts to grow and develop from the point where he’s being introduced. Obviously this is going to be a character trait that Dammek will have to grapple with and overcome one way or another, because that’s what good stories do: Introduce characters with flaws and challenges, put them through conflicts, and have them overcome them.

Especially since it’s not even like Dammek is like Vriska. There is legitimately and truly no future for either Xefros or Dammek that either of them want to be a part of unless Dammek succeeds at his wild ambitions, and he’s living in a fascist totalitarian hellscape, so there’s pretty good grounds for him to be as paranoid and intense as he is. Not to mention that he’s doing that while being…you know, a damn kid? 

We’re talking about a narrative where it’s altogether likely that literal genocidal maniac TRIZZA TETHIS will be redeemed, given she’s completely and utterly doomed by the system and timeline she’s in, so that people are SO pissed at Dammek for…being KIND OF A SHITTY DOUCHE at, what, 15? is…short-sighted, frankly. 

Can’t we focus on how nice it is that Xefros and Joey’s new friendship is already helping Xefros come out of that mindset? Can’t we look forward to character growth instead of being really really angry about INTRODUCTORY CHARACTER TRAITS? 

So like yeah I think it’s good to keep in mind that Dammek and Xefros aren’t the rosy best buds fanon imagined them to be. But spurring a bunch of outrage or w.e is just going to make the fandom really insufferable to deal with when they inevitably reconcile or come to new terms of behavior later, as with Dirk and Jake. I am begging to the spirits above we can avoid that grisly fate.

But can we avoid fandom’s deadly addiction to outrage points? Alas, likely not. 

PS: Relatedly, I have never seen a guy be more friendzoned than Xefros blushing on that deercat in my goddamn life. The fact that people are apparently complaining that that was ‘hetbait’ is hilarious, because Joey was the one with all the gay coding in this game, and she did NOT look interested that way. Just thought I’d say that too while I’m here. 

So here’s the theories

https://taksynator.tumblr.com/post/162956042466/homestuck-theory https://taksynator.tumblr.com/post/163353494091/another-homestuck-theory https://taksynator.tumblr.com/post/165287519776/masterclass-thoughts thanks in advance for reviewing them ^u^


@taksynator  No problem, it’s a pleasure! If you don’t mind, I’ll outline my thoughts here:

https://taksynator.tumblr.com/post/165287519776/masterclass-thoughts

https://taksynator.tumblr.com/post/163353494091/another-homestuck-theory

As for these two, I agree pretty much entirely! I think absolute power over a particular domain is well within the description of both Muses and Lords–though I will admit, the thing about Lord English and the sand kind of lost me a little? i didn’t quite follow. I’d say that their domains in Homestuck are, well. Homestuck itself. IE-The narrative. 

I also agree that Lords and Muses find themselves dealing in their complementary (saying “inverse” brings us too close to inversion theory for me, I think, but it’s as good a descriptor as any) Aspect as well, I think that’s a sweet catch on your part. Lord English is demonstrably interested in Space, after all–going so far as to give himself first guardian powers.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1naZNQSZTcpOEABFeh-V6JRmY_YwyLE9DQDMpBQ4A9RY/edit

As for this compilation of the Classes, It was quite the interesting read! For the most part we agree, and I think the Aspect “gauges” are an interesting way to visualize classpect dynamics. I like it a lot! There’s a couple of things I’m not sure I remember too well–I don’t remember Kanaya making clothes for anyone but Vriska, who did most definitely wear the fairy dress she made her, for example.

But the only thing I really disagree with is the conception of Knights and Pages. I’m pretty well on record as thinking Knights and Pages are best described by the verb Serve, and that Knights are Passive, with Pages as Active. 

I also think that “buffs”/”debuffs” as a concept are probably best applied to the spectrum of Passive classes, though I definitely agree the concept applies pretty strongly to the Steal/Serve (in your reading Move/Use) quartet of classes.

All in all these were a fun read and really interesting! Thanks for sharing :))

yeah true, I’m just worried that people who by chance only watch that one, or don’t stick around for the rest, will think they’re always in sessions

If people only watch this one and don’t really feel moved to check out the rest of the videos–or, to be clearer about it, Homestuck/Hiveswap in general in more depth, then I’ve kind of failed at what I’m setting out to accomplish anyway! Misconceptions over a part of the narrative that doesn’t impact much of anyone’s understanding  of the plot aren’t really a big deal if bogging myself down in contextualizing the impact of a character like, three layers of context removed from discussing the basic nature of the setting means I lose people here and now, you know?

I think this is a reasonable thing to be concerned about, don’t get me wrong. It’s the kind of thing I’m weighing myself, all the time. But ultimately I pretty consistently come down on the fact that if I want people to be interested in this stuff at all, then the pacing and flow of each video has to prioritize ease of understanding and engagement. Otherwise, the whole project is kinda bunk. That’s the nature of Youtube as a platform.