There’s basically no parts of Homestuck I’m not interested in doing analysis of to some extent. There’s stuff to say about the Helmsman, i just haven’t the time just yet.
If one knows the details of my reading on Heirs and takes note of the way I describe Psionics in the Aspects video, though, I think they’d be able to hazard a good guess as to my general thoughts.
To start with, let me be clear that I have a ton of admiration and respect for people like BKEW and Dahni. Writing like theirs nourished teen me’s love for Homestuck for years, and I quite literally wouldn’t be here if I hadn’t spent years devouring all of it. I understood Homestuck through inversion theory terms for a long ass time, and had a lot of fun with it! So this isn’t me trying to dunk on anyone or “”debunk”” anyone’s approach to fanon-building, or whatever.
I’m only interested in attaining a better understanding of the text of Homestuck itself, and I think “Inversion Theory” ultimately holds us back from doing so right now. That said, Inversion Theory is an overly broad term that leads to a lot of confusion. So let’s break it down into Aspect and Class inversion.
Aspect Inversion:
This has canonical backing, in that Calliope says that in players resistant to their true calling or corrupted by outside forces, player abilities might manifest in defiance of one’s Aspect. So I’ve always loosely agreed with this part.
That said, I’ve never been sure that Aspect “switches” always happen across complementary Aspects. I’ve been harboring the suspicion that any player sufficiently stressed could manifest their powers as any other Aspect, depending on the circumstances and influences at play.
Which means Xefros–who is a Rage player–is experiencing some of the detrimental effects usually associated with Inversion, along with a LOT of references to thinking in terms of Time,, as opposed to Hope.
I’ve picked up on a few cues suggesting something similar is going on with Dammek and Breath–the Aspect associated with bronzebloods. So for the most part, I just feel that Aspect “inversion” as a concept might be limiting our understanding. But that’s just a guess for now, and it seems to me most of the transitions in Homestuck DO qualify as Inversion, in that they involve the opposite Aspect heavily.
Class Inversion:
My problems with Class inversion are more intense. For one thing, inversion models p much always cast Pages as Passive and Knights as Active, which I think I’ve made clear I don’t buy at all. So my ability to engage with the system is mostly broken from the outset.
For another, where I’m uncertain and curious about Aspects, I’m absolutely sure the idea of Class inversion limits our reading of the text.
It’s biggest problem is that it narrows characters down into game mechanic templates that restrict what they can do and how they can act in ways that don’t seem super logical to me. A Maid who has “inverted” must always be a Bard, for example.
This discounts a lot of instances of quite similar, also unhealthy behavior that manifests outside the expected model, and misses a lot of the mechanical weight that Homestuck gives to any given characters’ stated interests, ambitions, and self-images.
Homestuck is a deeply Jungian work–his ideas are paralleled in Circumstantial Simultaneity, A bunch of Gnostic motifs, and in the case of the Classes, Archetypes. Jung believed Archetypes were patterns of behavior that arose from the collective unconcious–such as, perhaps, the act of theft, or of destruction.
Those patterns of behavior would then be contextualized by culture into more specific symbols. A thief might look like a burlap sack in one culture, and like a guy in a suit in another. But both would engage in the same behavior pattern–one associated with taking from others to benefit oneself. (Jung didn’t literally write about a Thief archetype, though. At least, not that I’ve found so far. This is just an example!)
The Classes are heroic Roles–their parts in the narrative as characters in a story. But Homestuck is a narrative where fantasy falls in love with itself, where characters have deeply impactful interests that move and shape them, just like ours do to us.
So when Vriska tries to live out her Mindfang fantasy, and rope Tavros along as her Summoner…
It’s not a coincidence that she dresses up as a fairy, and thinks in terms of a Sylph’s key verb–or close enough to it if you go with Create, same difference. And hey, doesn’t Vriska spend this arc insisting she only wants to make Tavros stronger? Get him to take charge and be powerful? Why, that almost sounds like…
What Aranea does effortlessly, by virtue of being a Sylph.
This is legitimate, compelling nuance that is lost under Inversion theory. And I can pull it out for close to every character. Dirk, AR, and Terezi’s fixations on being Knights, Roxy’s early flirtations with prophecy, Jake’s occasional references to wizardry, etc.
There’s a LOT of depth here, is what I’m saying, and in my view, the system is way more flexible and well-executed than what we’ve understood up until now. Even if inversion theory were literally canon (and its not, wp people debunked it YEARS ago.) I don’t think I’d want to trade it for what I see in the system now, personally.
I’m…not sure I follow? The concept of a true Taurus applies because the Extended Zodiac refers to the sign as…True Taurus. Same for every other zodiac sign. And that sign is a Breath sign, in the zodiac itself. The coding is already in the extended zodiac system.
The prefix for brown bloods is Taur BECAUSE it’s derived from Taurus. Sure, that might not be literally true in the lore of the world, but it’s transparently true from our perspective. And Alternia–including it’s Caste system–were still predominantly set up by Lord English and Doc Scratch, who were/are predominantly exposed to trolls…through their memories of/being literally some of the trolls from Homestuck. The 24 trolls that play Sburb have always been an influence on how Alternia developed, to some extent, through the vector of LE. So I don’t really see when they literally showed up to exist there as relevant to how this sociological structure is set up.
@ the latest anon, YOUR ASK IS VERY SWEET AND IM GLAD…and I seem to have messed up and blocked you by accident. Tbh I have no idea what happens to blocked anons on this hell site, and I dont see any new name in my blocked list, so I’m at a loss.
Sorry about that, please feel comfortable coming foward if you see this! I thought it was nice, I just messed up lol
They have. The Roxy ones match the Jadeblood symbols in the Zodiac. Which is no surprise, since Hussie said the extended alphabet was developed for the game, which means a lot of these have probably been around for at least several years.
Lmao so this kind of pedantic bullshit is why I don’t like talking about Word of God much, people will veer wildly between A) wildly making shit up and B) prying into WP people’s words to try and squeeze any sort of desired meaning out of them and I’m not here for any of it.
For what it’s worth, I was referencing this:
Which is an ancient, ancient post that was deleted ages ago. I really shouldn’t have to dig it up to make a simple point that people can do w.e they want in fandom, because it’s fucking fandom, and it’s for fun. Coming at me like I’m spreading some Hideous Misinformation for…saying that people can have fun how they like with this fictional context seems bizzare to me, especially when it comes with this weird Author Intent mindset that I basically don’t give a shit about at all.
But it’s worth keeping in the public conciousness that Hussie as an author, and Sburb as a concept, have always been all for hyperflexibility and reader engagement/self-insertion. People in Sburb can have two dreamselves, no dreamselves, ghost summonings, they can turn into any kind of animal or fantasy creature, they can have any kind of powers, etc. Whhhyyyyyy would the lines of realism be drawn at a girl growing up with a fascination for historical figures and a penchant for vanquishing threats and saving damsels. The female Prince archetype already exists in modern fiction. Have you heard of Utena???
My point is that while Classes–like any of the game’s symbols–might lean a certain way or carry certain connotations, it doesn’t make any actual sense as a fandom participant to try to hold to the Hard Line of Canon and gatekeep what other people can do. Canon doesn’t fucking care what you imagine or dream up, it’s systems have already accounted for your unique fantasy, by design, now matter how bizzare or “unlikely” it is. Hussie is evidently not interested in telling people what they can and can’t do, and hasn’t been for at least years.
So yeah. I do my research just fine, anon. Feel free to source your point, though.
Calliope suggests they’re gendered, but Hussie has explicitly stated they are not.
I view the gender leanings as predispositions or tendencies, personally. As for the outfit, it’s as Calliope says–they’re just clothes. Indications are that every player gets a subtly different variation on their Class outfit, ie: Meulin and Sollux’s different sleeve lengths, different shoe colors, etc. On top of that, you can swap and change parts of the outfit as you like. Meenah comes up with lots of cool variations of her God tier outfit:
No reason fans can’t do the same. If you don’t like the default, just figure out your own personalized take on it. So if fashions’ all that’s stopping you, I say just go with what you think fits you best :B
Yeah, of course. With regards to self-classpecting, WP Staff themselves have said before that no quiz is going to do it for you as much as thinking about it yourself. The descriptions are all fascinating, but the quiz itself is transparently biased wrt Aspect, at least. I don’t think this is a problem, because if someone doesn’t like their answer and engages with the text MORE, they’re only getting more enmeshed and interested in the nuances of the Aspect/Moon/Troll Sign system, which is what matters.
The True Signs themselves are a massive lore dump on Troll culture and Aspect/Moon mechanics that seems really good for the established fandom. But the website as a whole is p much an ad to get people interested in Hiveswap–and a very good one, at that. But it’s all for fun! There’s no point to reading a bunch of words about yourself if they don’t resonate with you, so just find the ones that do.