You’ve mentioned here and there that the common idea of Active Knight/Passive Page do a disservice to the characters or that it doesn’t give them the depth they should have (I think thats what you were trying to get at i’m bad with words). Could you elaborate on that a little bit? (not the justification for Active Page/Passive Knight, but rather the pitfalls of Active Knight/Passive Page that fandom falls into in terms of characterization). Sorry if this doesn’t make much sense.

Basically the Active Knight reading ignores the fact that, like Rose, Dave and Karkat START OFF trying to be intensely Active but gradually mellow out and grow happier as they adopt more passive/reactive roles and become more honest about their desire for attention and validation from others (for Rose, mainly Kanaya and Roxy. For Dave and Karkat, mainly each other, tho Dave also struggles with a desire for reconciliation/catharsis with Bro/Dirk on the side).

More importantly, it misses all the ways they allow/invite their Aspect (Karkat dropping Sollux down the stairs drawing Sollux’s Blood and leading to Sollux being happier is a clear example.) and pigeonholes our understanding of their behavior as being exclusively Exploitation focused because of that one quote of Aradia’s, despite the fact that every single Class both exploits and allows their Aspect–Calliope’s definition describes a tendency, not a limitation of their powersets. 

It also ignores how Knights’ greatest impacts tends to be how their efforts benefit and empower others. Karkat allows the troll session to function at all by keeping everyone bound to a common cause and leading them to victory instead of self-destruction through petty rivalries. Dave empowers Rose, Jade and John to do literally any of what they do in their session at all by making Grist cost a complete non-issue, allowing them to make whatever kinds of powerful weapons they want. Davesprite literally buffs John by giving him a hammer with Time powers!!! The Active reading of Knights misses all of that stuff. 

As for Passive Pages, I wouldn’t know where to start. Every shitty reading of Jake as a kind, patient soul cruelly Put Upon by his predatory gay friend.
Every dumbass take that Tavros is boring because he’s just a lame pushover, instead of an abused kid who resists and fights his abuser’s pressuring influence every step of the way, and who usually knows pretty well who to ask for help to stop her! 

All of them are grounded in this idea of the Page as a Passive wallflower nobody with zero impact on Homestucks’ plot to speak of, except of course for how they are mistreated by others. 

The powerset of a Page in development, if you listen to the Passive reading, seems to veer between ??? and “Nothing much”, since they’re regarded as p much a burden who must be carried through the game by everyone else until the day they finally reach their True Power, which is presumably buffing everyone else until the whole team is super saiyans. 

This is a day that never comes in canon, for any Page. Instead, we get Jake feeling sexually threatened and objectified and summoning a mental version of his boyfriend spouting quotes from a romantic comedy-adventure movie (which is way more Jake’s bag than Dirk’s). 

Not to mention BGD talks about Jake as his boyfriend while Dirk himself broke up with Jake and is simultaneously flying around in literal nowhere with no idea what’s going on. 

The Brain Ghost Dirk episode is about Jake benefiting HIMSELF with his Hope. Think about his level of power and the context surrounding it. 

Aranea wanted to use Jake’s Hope power to benefit herself, and he immediately summoned a warrior for the sole purpose of turning said power against her. 
His power is definitely not for her benefit.

It’s not for the benefit of anyone else in the session, either, because Jake doesn’t do jack shit about the Condesce as a threat despite having more than enough power to. Jake isn’t thinking about the good of the session or fixing everything so everyone is safe and conflict is resolved, all of which is stuff he could accomplish with a power level exceeding Jade’s.

Jake is only thinking about himself and wanting to feel safe, and Dirk is how he gets there. The fact that the fandom has missed that rests on the assumption of the Passive Page.

Ditto Tavros’ big moment–rallying the Ghost Army–being cast as a shitty moment where he character develops by getting to help his abuser instead of being a cathartic beat where he gets to own her as revenge because that’s all he wants–to prove her wrong definitively and get on with his life. Or ghost-life, or whatever. Homestuck is dumb, I love it.

I could make similar complaints about Karkat and how everyone thinks he got shafted because he never Got Tough and started fucking shit up with Blood-lasers or whatever. Karkat uses Blood constantly, all the time, and he’s extremely successful and effective at leveraging it. He just does most of it indirectly.

I have a lot of thoughts about this, as you can tell. All this said, it’s possible I’m just straight up wrong about what it means to be Active/Passive and canon will clarify once the Class test happens. Until then though, I’m gonna work with what I have, and it seems to me Homestuck as a work reads much better with one interpretation over the other. 

Just curious, are your views on the aspects somewhat different now or are they relatively the same?

Mostly the same, but I’d say I have a cleaner language in my mind when thinking about Rage, Hope and Light in particular. There’s always been a bizzare sort of conceptual overlap in my head surrounding those three, and the descriptions really helped clear it up for me. I’d also say I have a somewhat more nuanced view, since interestingly, the descriptions suggest the Aspects themselves have Active/Passive tendencies! I’d previously thought Active and Passive applied only to Classes and dreaming moons, but apparently not.

Oh also I’m feeling smug as fuck that after getting so much blowback from self-professed Homestuck “experts” that Jake English isn’t selfish vis a vis his Page status (I’m not talking about Vikomprenas, he’s cool and a fun guy to talk to about this stuff) the descriptions went and implied HOPE could well be inherently selfish, making Jake be coded as selfish no matter what you believe about Class designation :). Maybe now the fandom can access him as something other than a selfless, put-upon, pitiful woobie?? Hahahahahaha

I know I sound kinda biting there but honestly it’s all in fun for me, I’m just glad the information we’ve gotten is so compelling and interesting. Seriously though @ fandom at large? Dirkjake is canon and it’s probably time to reassess our views on the Alphas as a group. Secret tip: They all love each other and fuck up and they fucking rock and are the best part of Homestuck. 

This wasn’t about the Alphas so sorry anon but with me every road leads to the alphas. 

do you think the canon test ignores the nuances of the aspects?

Not particularly? The descriptions there just seem to describe the personalities of players bound to particular Aspects, rather than describing the Aspect itself. It’s a different focus, which means this is all new information for the most part–we can add it to the holistic view of Aspects that has been developing over time.

Like, the Light description doesn’t even mention luck. This is clearly not meant to be the definitive, final, COMPLETE GUIDE to Aspects and what they represent. It’s a brief overview meant to inform and entice newbies as to the workings of the system, and I think it does a pretty good job at that!

could you explain more about the Xefros acting as a Page of Rage thing? I find it really interesting!!

I’m not really gonna go into too much detail here. This prompted me to just round up most of what I’ve been meaning to talk about with regards to Homestuck and Hiveswap into a sort of news/lore roundup video going over roughly what I think of where Hiveswap and Homestuck are at as stories and intellectual properties, a revising of my Xefros Classpect post in video form, and some other interesting tidbits peeps might have missed, or that new fans might not even know about!

It’ll be fun, I think, and I’ll try to get it out pretty quick. Stay tuned. 

How does it feel to know that WP just made all of your classpect theorycrafting completely irrelevant with one fell swoop? That your bullshit is finally seen as what it is, bullshit?

? Are you on the same planet as me, anon? Classpecting just got like 20 times more interesting, not irrelevant. 

Curious to know what parts of what I’ve written about you think are debunked. The only thing particularly shaken up as far as I can tell was Xefros’ status as a Time player, and even that we’re already starting to figure out the reasons for. 

Or think we are, anyway! This is an evolving subject. I never claimed to have all the answers, just that I’ve been–and will continue to–keep working towards fandom’s ability to find them. Because it’s fun and interesting. 

Aaaalso most of my original writing has concerned Classes so far, not so much Aspects. And this validated the fandom’s longest standing thoughts about the Aspects as paired items, along with every pairing. So idk I can’t really figure out any angle you’re coming at this from as anything other than trying and failing to be kind of biting and mean-spirited?

have you watched sailor moon? if so, thoughts on mamoru/usagi and haruka/michiru?

I love sailor moon it owns

usagi/mamoru is pretty good, I guess? they never did a ton for me either way but they’re cute.

I typically read Usagi as poly and bi and in love with all her inner senshi girls but especially Rei, so thats kinda where im at there. 
Sometimes Rei is ace in my head, sometimes she’s into usagi and minako.

Chibiusa and Hotaru are otp but like in a childhood best friends way where i want them to grow up and be happy together. they’re gay but also too young to really think about shipping yanno? 

Haruka/Michiru is the otp to end all otps and whenever i post about them they’re likely to have a character tag. they’re like up there with my hall of fame ships: Utena/Anthy, DirkJake, Davekat, every other canon HS ship…they vibe with vrisrezi and rosemary in a particularly interesting way for me i guess? 

anyway michiru’s probably a mage of void, haruka’s a thief of breath, they’re in fucking love and im gay about it