Tag: Anonymous

Hey, sorry if this is ignorant or whatever, but I’m still relatively New to your blog (which is pretty fucking amazing btw) but what’s your Force and Flow series? From what I’ve been able to gather it has a lot to do with classpects

no such thing, it would be delusional to expect anyone to be able to keep up with my constant, poorly organized torrent of words about Homestuck.

Force & Flow is an essay series I released a couple months ago focused heavily on a new understanding of the Classes that I think reflects how they work in Canon much better.

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/force-and-flow-the-aspects-arent-the-only-existential-duality-at-play-in-classpects-fd1c3958314c

This is the Master post, where I outline the foundational logic of the system and talk about Lord/Muse

Then it links into three essays for four sets of classes for the other 12:

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/force-and-flow-destroy-and-create-f5294ac04ee5

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/force-and-flow-steal-and-serve-83c1e077c50f

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/force-and-flow-know-and-change-6ea05e3e00e8

Obviously, I need to update the Destroy and Steal sections with their corresponding myths sometime. Dunno when I’ll get to that. 

There’s a couple of offshoot essays focused on particular characters–Jade and Jane in particular, and I’ve done a toooon of writing on Jake and Dirk besides, but that about covers it.

God I need a better way to organize all this stuff and make it accessible >_>;; Sorry for the hassle, anon!

hey i’ve been rereading Act 4 and noticed something weird. Grandpa Harley landed on Earth on April 21, 1910. if i remember correctly, Joey is 14 in Hiveswap in 1994. So then, if she was born in 1980, doesn’t that mean Grandpa was already like 69-70 at the time. I mean, i know guys can still have kids at that age, but still. so was A. Claire significantly younger than him, or is something fishy going on? (haha “fishy” meenah would be so pleased)

She could be significantly younger–tbh I’m not even clear on A. Claire’s timeline at all–or it could be Hiveswap being a fantasy story and not caring about stuff like menopause, or it could be hiveswap being a fantasy story and having perfectly functional forms of procreation that work regardless of age, like ectobiology.

I’m not sure why anyone is assuming these kids were born without ectobiology, honestly? Like…Pa is the dude who runs skaianet…ectobiology is kind of a big deal w/ this crowd. It’s not an area i’ve found myself wanting to speculate on much, but ectobiology is definitely the likeliest explanation for how they were born, just, statistically

i understand why people talk about the alpha kids’ friendship so much, since it’s so deeply rooted in their character arcs, but i must admit i’ve always been a sucker for the beta kids as a whole and i’m sad that their relationship dynamics weren’t explored that much past the first acts. hey ARE the original BFFS 4 LIFE set of characters in homestuck, after all

i mostly talk about the alphas more because people dont really appreciate their friendships as much and typically regard one or more of them as assholes/don’t like to think about them

i, meanwhile, will not rest until the fandom understands that hating any one of the alphas in favor of the others is missing the point, and it would be a surefire way to get the other three to hate you.

also i need the fandom to know that dirk and jake are just as good a romance arc as davekat or vrisrezi or rosemary. homestucks good at romance y’all.

anyway the betas own too i just think they’re better understood/more celebrated. I’m not sad their relationships got less exposure later on because, hey, homestuck ain’t over. who knows how much beta interaction we can get soon enough!

When I think about the distinction between active/passive classes, one of the most prominent things I think about is exerting influence through oneself vs through others. That’s how I can view both rogues, who give to others for their benefit, and pages, who inspire others to serve them, as both passive. Obviously, there is more to your argument for active/passive roles, and more to mine as well, but anon has a character limit, so i’ll just leave you with this new angle to view the dichotomy.

Yep, depending on what elements you weigh the heaviest, Knights and Pages in particular get complicated. That’s really the only thing that throws me off in determining which is Passive and which is Active.

The reason I currently come down on Pages as Active is twofold. One, I simply think shaking up the current reading of Knights and Pages is important, because most people’s readings of Pages is really off, frankly? 

But two, when considering it this way, I keep getting tripped up by other examples. Like, Muse is the Most Passive apparently–but Alt!Calliope has her greatest impact through her own direct action by blowing up a sun. Lord is the most active, yet Caliborn and Lord English have most of their direct impact on the plot through the ways they coerce, manipulate, and influence others. What stays consistent is who benefits, regardless of method. Calliope and Alt!Calliope’s actions are basically always to the benefit of others. Caliborn’s machinations always benefit himself. 

It’s possible that’s a quirk exclusive to Master classes and there’s more to figure out about how Active/Passive works for the other classes, but for the time being I use it as a guide and consider the “For oneself” vs. “For others” habitual distinction the most important one to consider for Pages and Knights. Pages tend to benefit themselves, Knights tend to benefit others.

What are your thoughts on an alternate arrangement of classes? Namely, instead of witch/heir, maid/sylph as +/- pairs… witch/sylph, maid/heir? There’s canon textual evidence for witches and sylphs being linked, both seem tied to disorder/change in the sense that witches increase it, while sylphs decrease it. maids and heirs both seem tied to provenance, perhaps? maids generate/create actively, while heirs receive/become/are created passively. The terminology’s also conceptually more connected.

at this point, i think the unifying myths I’ve picked up on carry enough weight that I value them over nebulous rearrangements of the class terminology we don’t know. That’s because there’s a lot of overlap between the classes and how they might use their terminology: Thief/Rogue, Knight/Page, and Prince/Bard are all associated with weaponizing, for example.

I wouldn’t be averse to an alternate arrangement, but unless links are drawn from the canon that associate the classes together as strongly and as consistently as the unifying myths seem to, I’d probably continue to regard the setup we’ve developed on that basis as canonical. 

[1]OK so in your force and flow series,you said that Lords and Muses,which are both extreme examples of active and passive classes,are successful because they utilize their abilities in active and passive ways simultaneously,you also said that heirs/witches and mages/seers are successful for extremely similar reasons,and that they were the least extreme cases of active/passive classes,but if we consider similarity to either of the master classes to indicate activity/passivity

[2]Then wouldnt it follow that princes/bards and sylphs/maids would switch places with the heirs/witches and mages/seers

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Hrmmm, I see what you’re saying. I was going off this quote from Calliope:

Along with the distinction of Lords as “Most Active” and Muse as “Most Passive”.

My logic was that the more intensely Active/Passive classes had more dramatic impacts on their sessions, while the less Active/Passive classes were more versatile and able to switch back and forth from Active to Passive easier, making them more flexible.

The Master Classes, then, have the best of both worlds–they can have incredibly high impacts like the far-end classes, but they can also reap the benefits of both Exploiting and Allowing their aspect as necessary like the closer ones.

But that may be inaccurate. I think we’re getting closer, but I’m not sure we’ve “figured out” all the nuances of the Active/Passive scale. 
There’s a couple things that are still puzzling me, and questions like this one shaking or playing with the model are definitely helpful for helping us figure things out.

I don’t necessarily have any thoughts on this right now except that I’d like to hear how you account for Princes being positioned close to Lords in the scale. I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong, I feel like I’m missing stuff in my model. I’m just not 100% sure how to square this with the evidence we’ve got in canon. 

Any thoughts?

Welcome to your weird homestuck fantasyland where even the characters that date women are completely gay. Dirk and Kanaya get to have unwavering preferences, what makes them so special? I feel like you’re leaning a little too hard on this idea that nobody is straight in HS.

I don’t know what you think you’re picking up on, but it’s pretty obvious you’ve made up your mind about me and are looking for evidence to prove your point, anon. Which is hilarious, since it’s what you’re accusing me of doing.

But for the sake of clarity, I’ll humor you. I’m guessing this is about Dave, in which case, I think the canon is pretty clear he’s bisexual and attracted to both male and female characters (Hell, I read Jake as likely nonbinary, and he takes note of him that way, so). I implied otherwise exactly nowhere, but feel free to point to whatever you found in favor of that point, and I’ll explain myself. 

Also, again, I ship roxygen and johncalliroxy when i ship john at all. I mean. I think he could easily turn out to be greyace or bi because Homestuck is an evolving story, but as far as the canon curretly stands I consider him straight. I’ve said this before. So like, idk where you’re coming from here.