Tag: archetypes

On your most recent posts about sylphs you had an image of the archetype and details about it, could you link to where you got it please so we can see the others? Or could you post them please?

yeah its this a roundup of Carol Pearson’s updated Jungian archetypes, heres the pdf:

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capitalconference/Twelve_Character_Archetypes.pdf

Far as I can tell, they line up roughly, with some areas of
overlap and some archetypes that seem to apply to one or two classes
simultaneously–usually Active/Passive pairs, notably.
But I’m
not exactly 100% sure the one is based on the other at the moment. It’s
close enough to be extremely useful to me, but messy enough that I’m
not inclined to call it literal canon.Also, it’s worth noting
Roleplay blurs the lines on the Class end. IE: When a player roleplays a
Rogue, they end up taking on traits/struggles associated with the
Lover. Rose and Tavros both do this at different points. Here’s a list of correspondences, as I see it:

Innocent-Page
Orphan-Knight
Lover-Rogue
Seeker-Thief

Warrior-Prince
Destroyer-Bard
Creator-Maid
Caregiver-Sylph

Sage-Mage, Seer
Magician-Heir, Witch
Ruler- Muse, Lord, weirdly the Witch kinda jives with some traits here too
Fool/Jester- Bard/Heir,
which is pretty odd too. But then, John and Gamzee are both explicitly
linked to fools and jesters quite notably, so as odd as it is, it
lingers.

So… How exactly Pearson archetypes correspond to Homestuck classes? Did you solve the system so to speak?

Anon is referring to this list of archetypes, for those unaware:
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capitalconference/Twelve_Character_Archetypes.pdf

I don’t know that I solved the system, or that there’s even something to solve. But I do think looking at what each archetype says about different personality types is quite illuminating in seeking out what each Class suggests about the player’s personality.

Far as I can tell, they line up roughly, with some areas of overlap and some archetypes that seem to apply to one or two classes simultaneously–usually Active/Passive pairs, notably.

But I’m not exactly 100% sure the one is based on the other at the moment. It’s close enough to be extremely useful to me, but messy enough that I’m not inclined to call it literal canon.

Also, it’s worth noting Roleplay blurs the lines on the Class end. IE: When a player roleplays a Rogue, they end up taking on traits/struggles associated with the Lover. Rose and Tavros both do this at different points.

Here’s a list, as I see it:

Innocent-Page
Orphan-Knight
Lover-Rogue
Seeker-Thief

Warrior-Prince
Destroyer-Bard
Creator-Maid
Caregiver-Sylph

Sage-Mage, Seer
Magician-Heir, Witch
Ruler- Muse, Lord, weirdly the Witch kinda jives with some traits here too
Fool/Jester- Bard/Heir, which is pretty odd too. But then, John and Gamzee are both explicitly linked to fools and jesters quite notably, so as odd as it is, it lingers.

for the archetypes and class thing, what about the other 6? like I’m the Explorer but on your lists I don’t know where that would fit XD

I’m not sure I understand the question, sorry. What other 6?

If you mean 6 classes, each Archetype corresponds to two Classes.
You can think of Classes as different “versions” of the Archetype, with the same rough powersets that are simply deployed differently. Or at least, that’s how I think of it.

Does that help?

In part II of this mini-series on the Hero Titles, we take a closer look at the Classes. Reading them through the lens of Carl Jung’s mythic Archetypes and the existential duality of Yin/Yang, we develop an understanding of the Active/Passive split between classes and begin to get a sense of the broader system that defines each one. 

This also marks the announcement of another arm of this venture:
Comments response videos. From now on, I want to make you guys part of the conversation, so messages or questions sent to me on Tumblr, Twitter, or wherever may appear in videos as we converse and try to understand the nature of Hiveswap and Homestuck’s stories.

Wakraya’s (FAN-MADE) Class test can be found here!: https://homestuckexamination.tumblr.c… 

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Carol S. Pearson’s 12 Heroic Archetypes: http://www.carolspearson.com/archetyp…
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capital… 

“Jade Sylph”,
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Homestuck – Mythological Class Quiz

homestuckexamination:

Homestuck Class Quiz

As I mentioned a few days ago, given WhatPumpkin published the Aspect test last week, I had thought of making a Class test to go along with it! This one is 40 Questions long and will determine which one of the 14 Classes you’re more aligned towards! At the ending, you will be also able to see which other Classes you scored high on.

If you want to check the Classes and their descriptions individually, check these:

Role of the Creator – Sylph / Maid

Role of the Giver – Knight / Page

Role of the Visionary – Seer / Mage

Role of the Innovator – Heir / Witch

Role of the Taker – Rogue / Thief

Role of the Destroyer – Bard / Prince

Role of the Master – Muse / Lord

Kudos to @revolutionaryduelist for the Class Cards and most of his analysis, and to homestucking-girl for their Mage Sprite!

It’s pretty cool to see something like this happen, since it’s been years since the last Class test was made, and the most popular one includes fan classes.
I hope this test proves enjoyable for you guys until What Pumpkin produces a canon one! This is an exciting time to be a Homestuck/Hiveswap fan :B

Homestuck – Mythological Class Quiz

systlin:

chronicwhimsy:

elreki:

kneel-to-maria:

cuteskltty:

blockmind:

theathena149:

pedeka:

sarabeth72:

notpedeka:

sarabeth72:

writernotwaiting:

sarabeth72:

notpedeka:

pinknoonicorn:

musicfashionandscotch:

notpedeka:

blockmind:

johnnythirteenguns:

blockmind:

I just realized that Loki is essentially bugs bunny

“#this might require clarification”

ur right it does explain because i think i know where ur goin but i wanna hear you talk about it

Loki is Bugs Bunny in the notion that they are consistently a chaotic neutral force that can alter reality to their whim, will do anything for a punchline, runs on largely self-interested morals, delights in being annoying and is widely considered a nuisance by EVERY other cast member both ‘good’ and ‘bad’. Bugs Bunny has his own agenda and gets really extra for the sake of personal amusement but he will abandon whoever he’s currently antagonizing and swap sides if it benefits him. Bugs is constantly at odds with friend and foe because he’s an unpredictable trickster.

Bugs Bunny is a fairly modern iteration of the Trickster archetype. This is a very popular kind of character to appear in stories. The Trickster has gone by the names Anansi, Brer Rabbit, Coyote, and Chango, as well as Bugs and Loki. There are LOTS of really interesting things to read about this topic out there.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheTrickster

https://debravega.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/writers-know-your-archetypes-the-trickster/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17874931

I was thinking more Wile E Coyote…. lmao

I wonder how many people first came across Loki when they watched The Mask and just didn’t realise it…but yeah The Trickster is a god/entity that’s fascinated me for decades. Tom just makes the fascination er, different…

@notpedeka I’ve come across brer rabbit as an incarnation too. I find that idea really interesting.

I’m not quite normal when it comes to mythology. By the time I was in 1st grade I was in love with Loki and pretty well convinced that I belonged with the Aesir. It always startles me when people discover that archetypes, themes and even plots run through our stories and connect people not only around the planet, but through time.

Loki is…Bugs Bunny. Okay, I’m buying it.

Originally posted by hobolunchbox

@notpedeka @pinknoonicorn @sarabeth72

Bugs Bunny, though, is more chaotic good than chaotic neutral. Warner Bros cartoons followed a few fairly strict rules in terms of who took the brunt of the beatings. And these rules were slightly different than the ones that govern a show like Tom and Jerry. In the Tom and Jerry cartoons, everyone got the shit beat out of them, and I really never thought they were all that funny, honestly.

In the Warner Bros cartoons, the characters who got blown up the most – Elmer Fudd, Daffy Duck, and Wile E. Coyote – were always the ones who started the fights. That simple rule underpins all of the humor, and, frankly, this rule is what makes their cartoons infinitely funnier than hundreds of others. Because Elmer Fudd is the one who starts the fight, the viewers have moral permission to laugh at their pain. That’s what makes the chaos funny – on some level, we feel as though Elmer deserves it.

I’m just, like…whoa.

Originally posted by giphy

It’s when the Trickster, be it Bugs or Loki, challenges the figureheads and societal regulations, that we, as humans, have built ourselves, that we cheer him on the most. I love that about us. Build it up…. cheer! Tear it down….cheer!

And here I thought I was just watching cartoons…

Daffy Duck or the Poetic Edda… it all comes from the same well of human experience.

Welp this is i guess what i sign up for on this site

A) this post sure took on a life of its own

B) that fucking horse gif I cannot believe what I am looking at with my own eyes

time to necro this post because i can’t believe you didn’t add it for the lulz

I WAS WONDERING WHY NO ONE ADDED THAT

All of human culture has collided to make this post possible.

I would argue on Bugs being Chaotic Good. I mean, perhaps in later iterations, but we got given a DVD of a really early Bugs Bunny cartoon, and he just spends the whole time literally trying to get Elmer Fudd to kill himself for shits and giggles.

This post pleases my little heathen ass to no end.