A while ago now, I posted some theorycrafting about Material and Notional Aspects, as well as Active and Passive ones. I’ve since further refined and developed these ideas, and with the help of revolutionaryduelist I’ve assembled them into a proper Theory Post.
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This stuff has gotten more and more interesting the more I’ve thought about it, and it still kinda feels like we’re just scratching the surface. I can’t wait to see what else Hiveswap might have to say about Aspects!
Derse is pretty strongly linked to Rage, but it’s also got strong links to Void, Doom, and Blood. It’s a society, so in general it incorporates all the Aspects, even if it’s cultural conciousness might favor some more than others.
Gamzee was a Prospit rage dreamer, so we might look to him for clues. Nihkee Moolah’s also Prospit+Rage, so she might give us more insight, too.
In general I’d expect a Prospit dreamer to tend towards being more passive, positive, and reactive to the world around them. They’ll think less about how they construct and present their personalities and be more inclined to go with the flow–though this depends on Class, too. Derse dreamers tend to be more methodical, intense, and self-directed by contrast.
That sounds like Tex Talk’s youtube series!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TzBgFx3mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWeWowY-KHY
He’s the one who first linked Rage to plot contrivance. That last video is an audio post where he discusses what EVERY aspect means metatextually and it’s really good, I think!
She’s definitely influenced by A. Claire (she outright says she wants to be just like her tons of times, after all), but hilariously enough that doesn’t actually help me figure out whether she’s getting Life or Light influence from her at the moment, for Reasons.
You nailed it at the end, I think!:
Shouldn’t a Mind player be better at donning temporary masks, where a
Heart player would have a more sincerely experienced alter ego/hidden
self?
This confused me for a long time, but I’d say that Heart players’ masks are more like legitimately distinct alternate personalities; personas, if you will. They’re able to compartmentalize different parts of themselves very well–as Dirk puts it, Striders only party “when it’s good and time to party”, so his work and fun personas are very distinct.
Mind players think a lot less about Who They’re Being and a lot more about what they’re thinking. They’re deducers and analysts. If we look to the Persona series for Heart, we might want to look at games like Phoenix Wright or 999 for Mind; affairs where a lot of the drama and tension comes from scrutinizing the logic of a sequence of events, or logic and reasons behind the stated motivations of characters.
Hopefully that makes any sense?
(Thanks a ton, by the way.)
I’m probably going to eventually, but writing and producing scripts that detailed is actually a pretty serious and time-consuming challenge, and I have a lot of other projects I’m working on right now that I consider just as if not more interesting right now.
Besides, it’s so much work that I’d have to feel like producing it presents a substantial leap in how much better said concepts are presented, both from a production standpoint AND a content standpoint.
I’ve been getting frustrated because in many ways I find the way we currently discuss both Aspects and Classes kind of overly cumbersome and technical–I struggle using it as the characterization TOOL I actually think of it as because I tie myself in knots just figuring out how to put it to words.
Figuring out how to discuss it more efficiently and evocatively is part of the work I’m doing, and it’s real work that takes me time and effort to consider even if that work isn’t immediately apparent to you guys–it’s not something I want to rush.
Luckily, I am considering some avenues that I actually do think have the potential to provide such a seismic shift, and it’s something I’m experimenting with as I explore these Classpect videos I’m already doing.
A lot of my patrons and people who hang in my circles on Discord are already somewhat aware of this stuff, but it’s really difficult to constantly try to package it all into posts when
A) A lot of the polish and depth you’re picking up comes about as a result of my willingness to talk about and explore this stuff in pretty experimental ways that don’t lend themselves easily to concise, clear text posts and
B) the conversation around them is constantly evolving and hypothetical in and of itself.
So the tl;dr is: Working on it. We’ll get to it eventually, maybe even sooner than I think, but there’s other stuff to work on right now. Stay tuned, and keep rising 😉
Honestly, I’m not super sure what you’re referring to. Are you referring to which Aspects are complementary/paired? Because if so, the pairs are the exact same, nothing much changed about my views there.
The Zodiac had some interesting focuses for each Aspect that led me to change some terms associated with them around, for Rage and Hope in particular. And it seems to imply that the Aspects *next* to an Aspect are also important, along with the one across/complementary from it, which is really interesting but the narrative implications of which I haven’t really felt like I understand yet.
One of those things I’m hoping to understand better through Hiveswap.
Does this answer your question at all?
i’m not super sure what you mean by this question. aspects in canon tend to be linked to roughly the same symbols across the adventure, though they’re basically all linked to more than one symbol.
There’s also symbols/entities that link to more than one aspect, like the Green Sun (Light/Space), the Horrorterrors (Life/Void), or Lord English (Time/Void/Rage/Heart).
he seems to be a piss player but who the hell knows what that means. my mind boggles at trying to understand the power and meaning behind Piss, the secret and probably most powerful 13th aspect
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