In this episode, we cover The Alpha Timeline–the anchor of Homestuck’s plot. The understated rules that guide Homestuck’s time flow tell us a lot about the way Homestuck’s story functions, and the stakes it involves. Let me know what you think in the comments! 😀

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notyourexrotic replied to your post “Hey uh, got a question for you. What aspect would you consider dreams…”

Jade was defined by her prophetic dreams and she was a Space player.

True! In actuality I’d say dreamselves/the dream moons relate to a lot of different aspects in different ways–hence why I said if I had to narrow it down to one or two.

For Jade I feel like the emphasis is on the enviroment she grew up in and how Prospit’s culture/Skaia’s influence shaped her own mind. Tavros is much more transparently about escapism/getting away from the physical world.

The material and the notional

arrghus:

One idea that recurs fairly prominently in Homestuck’s Gnostic roots is the duality of the material and the notional, the World of Matter and the World of Ideas. And with the advent of the Extended Zodiac, one idea that took root in my mind was the possibility that this duality extended to the Aspects themselves.

I don’t have solid evidence for this yet, but I do have a lot of anecdotes, below the cut. Regardless of whether it’s truly canon, though, I do think it’s a potentially useful and interesting way of thinking about the Aspects and Homestuck itself.

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This is pretty interesting to me. I tend to consider Aspects as simultaneously notional and material, but the idea that they might have a bias one way or another has a lot of potential for fleshing out how we understand them in relation to each other, I think.

One of many ideas I’m not entirely committed to, but consider as I look through the text and consider the ways it might be evolving now. 

I’m looking at the God Tier color palettes, and a thought just hit me – What about a link of Doom and Hope? It sounds dumb, but I can justify it – Doom can mean a general pessimism, or even just falling foul on circumstance, Hope being near the opposite, the name suggesting as much? IMO, a Doom player would see things for the worst, possibly giving up, whereas a Hope player would say “We can get through this!” I mean, I’m just going by colors, but that uproots literally anything that’s been set?

It’s the [Hope <-> Doom] Anon, again !! //// The other
pairings would be like this, based on colors: [Space <-> Time],
[Light <-> Breath], [Rage <-> Blood], [Life <-> Void]
and [Mind <-> Heart]

I don’t disagree with the links drawn because I think all the Aspects are interrelated to some extent, but the homestuck extended zodiac already provided canonical confirmation that Hope/Rage and Life/Doom were the “complementary Aspects”, so the actual argument seems rather moot to me.

I think we’re far past the point of debating what the pairs actually are, but that doesn’t mean we can’t draw links between non-paired Aspects, if that makes sense.

So ive seen a few people talking about how light is possibly the aspect of stories, and how the light players in homestuck were somewhat aware that they were in a story, vriska through literally interacting with the author, rose through insistence that they follow character arcs in a few scenes (I’m not entirely sure how Aranea would fit into this theory though). Just wanted to get your opinion on the whole thing since I️t sounded interesting. Hope you have a nice day!

The more I think about it, the more I agree with Tex Talk’s description of the Aspects as each relating to an element in narrative construction.

It’s been traditionally accepted that Light is the Aspect of narrative revelance/importance. The “Spotlight”, if you will. Tex argues that all the Aspects represent different elements of a story.

Light is plot relevance, while Void is plot irrelevance. He hasn’t done videos on every Aspect yet, but he has covered Rage, which he describes as plot Contrivance.

So I’d say all Aspects are an aspect of stories, in that they all describe different  parts of narrative construction that make a story whole. 

So then it’s not so much that Light is the aspect of stories, but that the fact that Homestuck is a story is one of the most important things about it. Indeed, characters like Vriska and Jasprose come by the closest to acknowledging and interacting with the author.

Light, Void and epistemology

ink-and-homestuck:

Let’s take quick look at Light and Void players:

Light:

Rose: Interested in psychology, especially in Sigmunt Freund’s theories.When she looked for answers she asked outside sources ( Doc Scratch, Kanaya, Horrorterrors). Interested in writing and reading.

Vriska: She has power of stealing someone’s mind, which may be some connection to Rose’s interest in psychology. But more important, she has wide knowledge about history, which she possessed from Mindfang’s journal.

Aranea: She is obliviously interested in history, sociology, and psychology. Her endless speeches about various topics definitely prove that. It’s also worth notice, that her post-scratch self also had historical knowledge (Mindfang knew about Sufferer and Summoner’s revolution in the future. She gained this knowledge as Rose, from outside sources)

Void:

Roxy: She is not only good with computer, she is master hacker. Her pre-scratch self is scientist, probably involved in some kind of space exploration, as suggest observatory in her house.

Equius: His sign is “Sign of Engineer”. He is interested in robotics, probably in coding, too, since making functioning robot requires some level of IT skills. He probably gained skills needed to build Aradiabot by constant training.

Horuss: As was said by Aranea, he is “Renaissance man”, and master of mechanics. His post-scratch self was also interested in robotics. Self made man, who learned everything by himself.

Epistemology:

For those who don’t know, epistemology is theory of knowledge. It helps us tell apart knowledge, assumptions and opinions. It also helps us tell difference between science and pseudoscience.

So, what is has to do with aspects? A lot.

Light players are ones interested in psychology, historiology, books and stories.

Void players show interest in so called “real science”, not in human-centered studies like light players.

One of the most famous philosophers, Karl Popper saw difference between these kinds of science.

What may appear as weird to us he called Freund’s psychology pseudoscience. Now, we consider psychology as valid science, but then Popper had reason to call it that. Why? Because Freund’s theories was formed in the way that makes them seem always right. For example, Freund said that source of psychological problems lies in our past, but some of the issues could be explained by two different causes, for example sucking a thumb could be explained by not being breastfeed enough or being breastfeed too much or (in case of female patient) penis envy. Now psychologists use scientific methods and make their theories disprovable, but still, there are argues in scientific circle about their reliability.

He pointed out that in order to truly know something we have to try to disprove our believes, find ways to measure them and  get rid of subjectivity. For example if we want to find out that bad breastfeeding causes thumb sucking, it’s not reasonable to find someone who claims he was fed to much or not enough and who sucks thumb, because these two things may be coincidence. Sadly, Freund’s study was made like that.

Real scientist would define what means to breast feed “too much” and “not enough” in measurable way and examine set of kids that was fed too much and too little and see if there isconnection.

Karl Popper also disapproved historicism, because he thought that any kind of theories are subjective and are not possible to falsify. How we see, Vriska “replays” events that happened to her ancestor, making passively statement that “history repeats itself”. she is also obsessed with idea of luck, that was not accepted by Karl Popper, because it heavy subjective.

Using subjective outside sources (like diaries or tales)  was also disapproved by Karl Popper, because it was also subjective.

On the other hand you can’t be wrong in IT field or robotics, because something works or not. You can only gain knowledge that helps you make something that works better. Roxy and Equius are interested these fields. Roxy hacked Sburb game files and Equius was self-learning robotics gaining skills that were useful in constructing Tavros’ robotic legs or Aradiabot. Mom is scientist. Horuss is interesting one. How was said he is a “Renaissance man” . Mainstream philosophers of Renaissance put mind over emotions. Karl Popper’s philosophy was heavily influenced by Francis Bacon, who was one of the first thinkers that proposed setting off subjective data from scientific theories.

Conclusion

Void bound players are bound to non-subjective facts, science and “lean more toward casting doubt on what is already considered fully understood”

Light players are bound to subjective knowledge and outside sources that they “able to take multiple sources of information and synthesize them into something useful.”

@revolutionaryduelist what do you think about that?

Ack, sorry this took so long! I’ve been really busy and I spent a while trying to figure out what I’d want to say.

I have to be honest, my reading skills in terms of like, high level philosophical stuff is not always the best, so I’m kind of having a hard time following the stuff you said about the philosophers.

That said, I think this is a really compelling contrast, and makes me feel more sure about my view that Light is linked to “idealistic” reality/the World of Ideas and Void to “Materialistic” reality/the World of Matter.

In other words, Void players are more attuned to the physical world. Light players deal more heavily in the world of thought/concepts. I’d say I feel a lot more confident in that idea after reading this, so thank you. :B

In part II of this mini-series on the Hero Titles, we take a closer look at the Classes. Reading them through the lens of Carl Jung’s mythic Archetypes and the existential duality of Yin/Yang, we develop an understanding of the Active/Passive split between classes and begin to get a sense of the broader system that defines each one. 

This also marks the announcement of another arm of this venture:
Comments response videos. From now on, I want to make you guys part of the conversation, so messages or questions sent to me on Tumblr, Twitter, or wherever may appear in videos as we converse and try to understand the nature of Hiveswap and Homestuck’s stories.

Wakraya’s (FAN-MADE) Class test can be found here!: https://homestuckexamination.tumblr.c… 

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“Play the Rain”, 
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[This video is a REUPLOAD of a prior video on the Classpect system!] 

What Pumpkin’s official Extended Zodiac: http://hs.hiveswap.com/ezodiac/index.php 

This is a video series focused on Homestuck’s Hero Title system, a hyperflexible mythology like Hogwarts houses or Bending type. The Hero Titles are based on The Legend of Zelda’s “Hero of Time” structure, and is split into two halves: 

The “Class”, which changes the “Hero” in the title to tell us more about the character’s particular skills and habits. 

And the “Aspect”, which changes the “Time” to one of twelve broad elemental forces. 

In this first video, we take a look at the Aspects in-depth. The two following videos will cover the Classes. 

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Tex Talks:
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look i am telling you, the ‘true’ sign thing is only in relation to us, the people taking the test, who know what they are and know what the ‘true’ zodiac is. within troll culture itself, i highly doubt that there is anything remotely special about any of them. for example, i HIGHLY doubt trolls consider cancer the ‘true’ sign for limebloods, considering how the sign came about way after limebloods were supposedly wiped out.

I don’t know that anyone’s arguing that troll society itself conciously considers those signs special, so I’m not sure why you’re addressing me as such.

But insofar as canon goes, those signs are already explicitly special, by virtue of the fact that their holders are the ones who all of Alternia exists to faciliate, so that they in turn can facilitate the existence of LE. Literally all of Alternian history already revolves around the 24 trolls who play Sburb–the beginning of the race, it’s evolution towards exploitative fascism, it’s eventual apocalypse–ALL of it traces back to the 24 trolls who play Sburb. Trying to tell me the signs associated with those trolls aren’t special is…kind of ridiculous?

Whether or not troll society is aware of that, or treats them with any special distinction, is beside the point. I’d guess they probably don’t! Why treat a Rustblood sign with any particular distinction if they’re all rubbish in the end, in Alternia’s eyes? Etc.

But the only thing Wak seems to be arguing for is an association between the Castes and the True Sign’s ASPECT, not the True Sign itself. And I feel that’s already demonstrably true, to some extent. 

All rustbloods have to think about their short lifespans and imminent deaths, and going by Xefros’ example, the sheer amount of time they’re expected to devote to intense service, too. All of that lends itself to a focus on thinking in terms of Time. All goldbloods have to think about the possibility of being conscripted to exploitative, sacrificial service if their psiionics are good enough. That lends itself to a cultural pattern of thinking about Doom. Olivebloods seem to be living in the wild, which would distance them from society and make them more aware of their Selves–and so, Heart.

So on and so forth. That dynamic is what I’m interested in, moreso than anything about the True Signs themselves. I currently regard them as indicators, not much else–the groundwork for this idea is all over troll lore, and that’s why it interests me. It’s possible we’re way off base here, but if so, I expect Act 2 will make that clear. Does that clear up my position for you, anon?

wakraya:

Castes, Aspect-Binding and Deviations

So with the reveal of the Expanded Zodiac and the explanations of the Aspect Players, people have been wondering how come Xefros is a Rage Player apparently. There’s things fitting his Character Arc and his possible Growth that indicate he could definitely lean towards Rage, however, the references to Time are still there.

Then it dawned on me.

These two symbols? The first is Ariborn, the second, Libries. Now why is this important? Because the names are, obviously, combinations of the names of the True Symbols.

Within every Caste, individuals may be Prospit or Derse and any Aspect as needed, however, there are True symbols. The Human Zodiac Symbols, the Symbols of the Beta Trolls and their Ancestors, of the Dancestors. These specifically match their Prospit Moon and Aspect as expected. And they are ‘True’ symbols, that is to say, there’s some significance to them.

This is because everything that shares any part of the Symbols’ Root is Bound to its Aspect as well. With Libries, it’s evident- -RIES at the end comes from Aries, making it a combination of ‘Libra’ and ‘Aries’. And… That’s exactly the thing. Libra is within the symbol’s root as well. In Xefros’ case? -IBORN at the end states Derse and Rage, but AR- at the beginning denotes its connection to Aries.

The castes are not limited to the Aspect of their True Symbol, however, they still seem to be partially Bound to this Aspect. That is to say, while each specific individual will have their own leanings and convictions and Aspect, their Caste will also determine either a facet of them or what Society expects from them. Not all Rustbloods are Time Players- But by being Rustbloods, they’re tied to Aries inseparably, and thus, tied to Time in some way.

This is why Xefros seemed like a Time Player but is actually a Rage Player- At the beginning of Hiveswap he’s being contained, oppressed by Dammek’s attitude and the Society around him, not letting him grow. And thus the only thing that showed through was the natural Time leaning all Rustbloods have. Now though, Joey is giving him more confidence and making him believe in himself, and you better believe this Rust boy isn’t going to be Time-Bound anymore, and it’s going to start Serving some Rage.

I could have sworn I reblogged this ages ago when it was posted but it seems…not???

Anyway, consider this the basis for all my Classpect speculation going into Hiveswap: Act 2. I’m currently of the opinion Wak hit it out of the park, and the reading seems to hold well with both Xefros and Dammek in Hiveswap Act 1.

Not sure at all that it’s true, but I am very sure it’s interesting. I expect we’ll know for sure once we get a chance to meet all these dang new troll kids :B