On your most recent posts about sylphs you had an image of the archetype and details about it, could you link to where you got it please so we can see the others? Or could you post them please?

yeah its this a roundup of Carol Pearson’s updated Jungian archetypes, heres the pdf:

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capitalconference/Twelve_Character_Archetypes.pdf

Far as I can tell, they line up roughly, with some areas of
overlap and some archetypes that seem to apply to one or two classes
simultaneously–usually Active/Passive pairs, notably.
But I’m
not exactly 100% sure the one is based on the other at the moment. It’s
close enough to be extremely useful to me, but messy enough that I’m
not inclined to call it literal canon.Also, it’s worth noting
Roleplay blurs the lines on the Class end. IE: When a player roleplays a
Rogue, they end up taking on traits/struggles associated with the
Lover. Rose and Tavros both do this at different points. Here’s a list of correspondences, as I see it:

Innocent-Page
Orphan-Knight
Lover-Rogue
Seeker-Thief

Warrior-Prince
Destroyer-Bard
Creator-Maid
Caregiver-Sylph

Sage-Mage, Seer
Magician-Heir, Witch
Ruler- Muse, Lord, weirdly the Witch kinda jives with some traits here too
Fool/Jester- Bard/Heir,
which is pretty odd too. But then, John and Gamzee are both explicitly
linked to fools and jesters quite notably, so as odd as it is, it
lingers.

What would you say the quest of the Sylph is?

i’m not sure I think of the classes as having “quests”, so much as symbolic motifs and core personality struggles.

I’d say the Sylph’s symbolic motif seems to be to embody the role of a fairy/elemental of their aspect. that can manifest as any member of the “fae”, ie: imaginary creatures. Vampires, demons, literal fairies, angels and the like. As for their personality struggles:

I think this captures the Sylph pretty succintly. Kanaya showcases the addiction to caretaking and codependence more, while Aranea tends to fall more into the Suffering Martyr angle (while we’re at it, so does Vriska), so yeah thats my take

So… How exactly Pearson archetypes correspond to Homestuck classes? Did you solve the system so to speak?

Anon is referring to this list of archetypes, for those unaware:
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capitalconference/Twelve_Character_Archetypes.pdf

I don’t know that I solved the system, or that there’s even something to solve. But I do think looking at what each archetype says about different personality types is quite illuminating in seeking out what each Class suggests about the player’s personality.

Far as I can tell, they line up roughly, with some areas of overlap and some archetypes that seem to apply to one or two classes simultaneously–usually Active/Passive pairs, notably.

But I’m not exactly 100% sure the one is based on the other at the moment. It’s close enough to be extremely useful to me, but messy enough that I’m not inclined to call it literal canon.

Also, it’s worth noting Roleplay blurs the lines on the Class end. IE: When a player roleplays a Rogue, they end up taking on traits/struggles associated with the Lover. Rose and Tavros both do this at different points.

Here’s a list, as I see it:

Innocent-Page
Orphan-Knight
Lover-Rogue
Seeker-Thief

Warrior-Prince
Destroyer-Bard
Creator-Maid
Caregiver-Sylph

Sage-Mage, Seer
Magician-Heir, Witch
Ruler- Muse, Lord, weirdly the Witch kinda jives with some traits here too
Fool/Jester- Bard/Heir, which is pretty odd too. But then, John and Gamzee are both explicitly linked to fools and jesters quite notably, so as odd as it is, it lingers.

for the archetypes and class thing, what about the other 6? like I’m the Explorer but on your lists I don’t know where that would fit XD

I’m not sure I understand the question, sorry. What other 6?

If you mean 6 classes, each Archetype corresponds to two Classes.
You can think of Classes as different “versions” of the Archetype, with the same rough powersets that are simply deployed differently. Or at least, that’s how I think of it.

Does that help?

In part II of this mini-series on the Hero Titles, we take a closer look at the Classes. Reading them through the lens of Carl Jung’s mythic Archetypes and the existential duality of Yin/Yang, we develop an understanding of the Active/Passive split between classes and begin to get a sense of the broader system that defines each one. 

This also marks the announcement of another arm of this venture:
Comments response videos. From now on, I want to make you guys part of the conversation, so messages or questions sent to me on Tumblr, Twitter, or wherever may appear in videos as we converse and try to understand the nature of Hiveswap and Homestuck’s stories.

Wakraya’s (FAN-MADE) Class test can be found here!: https://homestuckexamination.tumblr.c… 

You can find the Class cards used in this video here: https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.c… 

You can support this project at: 

https://www.patreon.com/optimisticDue… 
https://liberapay.com/optimisticDuelist/
https://ko-fi.com/U7U16EJZ 

Or follow us on social media!:
https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.com
https://twitter.com/RoseOfNobility
https://www.facebook.com/HomestuckExp… 

Carol S. Pearson’s 12 Heroic Archetypes: http://www.carolspearson.com/archetyp…
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capital… 

“Jade Sylph”,
by Frank Haught https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/… 
Track Art by Michelle Czajkowski : https://www.patreon.com/avasdemon 

“Play the Rain”, 
by Robert Blaker   https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/…
Track Art by Suki: gingerybiscuit.tumblr.com
“Made of Time”,
by James Roach https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/…
Track Art by Alexia Khodanian: http://alexiadraws.tumblr.com 

The opening’s background music is The Poem For Everyone’s Souls, from the Persona soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
Intro music is “Nemuro Kinenkan”, from Revolutionary Girl Utena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8luvp…

[This video is a REUPLOAD of a prior video on the Classpect system!] 

What Pumpkin’s official Extended Zodiac: http://hs.hiveswap.com/ezodiac/index.php 

This is a video series focused on Homestuck’s Hero Title system, a hyperflexible mythology like Hogwarts houses or Bending type. The Hero Titles are based on The Legend of Zelda’s “Hero of Time” structure, and is split into two halves: 

The “Class”, which changes the “Hero” in the title to tell us more about the character’s particular skills and habits. 

And the “Aspect”, which changes the “Time” to one of twelve broad elemental forces. 

In this first video, we take a look at the Aspects in-depth. The two following videos will cover the Classes. 

You can find the Aspect cards used in this video here: https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.c… 

You can support this project at: 

https://www.patreon.com/optimisticDue… 
https://liberapay.com/optimisticDuelist/
https://ko-fi.com/U7U16EJZ

Or follow us on social media!:
https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.com
https://twitter.com/RoseOfNobility
https://www.facebook.com/HomestuckExp… 

Other cool writers, I don’t necessarily agree with them on everything but you may still find them interesting! I know I do:

Tex Talks:
https://www.youtube.com/user/thetruly…
Tex Talks’ Aspect videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TzB… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjZtB… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H7m2…
Bladekindeyewear: http://bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/po… DahnitheWitchofLight: http://dahniwitchoflight.tumblr.com
Muse base sprite by iceymermaid: http://iceymermaid.tumblr.com/
All other base sprites are from the MSPA Wiki.

Classpect chart by Spectralninja: https://spectral-ninja.deviantart.com…
Aspect gifs by Arraydia: http://arraydia.tumblr.com/aspects

Find the Music on Bandcamp! 

“Gold Mage”,
by repeatedScales https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/… 
Track Art by Prassio: http://prassio.tumblr.com 

“Jade Sylph”, by Frank Haught
https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/…
Track Art by Michelle Czajkowski : https://www.patreon.com/avasdemon 

The opening’s background music is The Poem For Everyone’s Souls, from the Persona soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU5ie…
The Intro music is “Nemuro Kinenkan”, from Revolutionary Girl Utena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8luvp…

Homestuck – Mythological Class Quiz

homestuckexamination:

Homestuck Class Quiz

As I mentioned a few days ago, given WhatPumpkin published the Aspect test last week, I had thought of making a Class test to go along with it! This one is 40 Questions long and will determine which one of the 14 Classes you’re more aligned towards! At the ending, you will be also able to see which other Classes you scored high on.

If you want to check the Classes and their descriptions individually, check these:

Role of the Creator – Sylph / Maid

Role of the Giver – Knight / Page

Role of the Visionary – Seer / Mage

Role of the Innovator – Heir / Witch

Role of the Taker – Rogue / Thief

Role of the Destroyer – Bard / Prince

Role of the Master – Muse / Lord


Kudos to @revolutionaryduelist for the Class Cards and most of his analysis, and to homestucking-girl for their Mage Sprite!

It’s pretty cool to see something like this happen, since it’s been years since the last Class test was made, and the most popular one includes fan classes.
I hope this test proves enjoyable for you guys until What Pumpkin produces a canon one! This is an exciting time to be a Homestuck/Hiveswap fan :B

Homestuck – Mythological Class Quiz

lime-bloods:

Okay, a bit late, but like I said, there was a reason I got back onto the topic of the extermination of the Gamblignants, and it’s to do with the Alternian enforcement of classes.

A lot of the classes that would be assigned to blood castes make easy sense. Rustblood maids because they’re a serving class. Purplebloods are bards for their performative wildcard nature. Princes are royalty, so that’s what violets are. Seers’ analysis is important for a class who act as assistants to the government (and seers as assistants to more combat-oriented classes is a concept that has been evoked within the comic itself).

Some of them are more symbolic. Heirs generally serve as the “Beta Male” class, so their being assigned to the caste that serve as lackeys to the top dogs of the land dweller race makes sense. Sylphs are a fitting role for jades for their nurturing and also mythical nature. Rogues might even make sense, given the heroic spin Homestuck applies to them, as the ones at the top of the lowblood group.

What really sticks out like a sore horn is the thief class. What reasonable society would implement a social class of criminals?

Well we know Alternia had one! The Gambligants were a distinct social group who were allowed to exist as such for what we can only assume was some time before the Subjugglators got around to exterminating them.

And in doing so we’re left with Vriska as what we can probably safely assume is the last member of the thief class.

That’s interesting, because it puts thief in a unique position shared with only Feferi’s witch class in that only one troll has the class. Which makes you wonder why!

A good place to start is probably that Meenah’s class was also thief, and we know at least a little bit about how she took over her session. The thief by nature is forceful and hard-headed, and really not a hero you want to have lying around in hoards.

Scorpio is also the sign of the Conqueror, which is a title that can be applied to Lord English himself since Caliborn took the path of the conqueror from Yaldabaoth.

The problem with the thief class being thinned down to just one member, of course, is that the chance that a thief will be involved in the SGRUB session are reduced significantly from what they would be if there were a whole social caste of thieves. Which would explain exactly why, of course, Doc Scratch chose Vriska in particular to be his protoge (and perhaps the same reason that Kanaya was chosen too, considering the extreme rarity of her own caste/class).

I like this a lot overall, and I’m pretty curious if the Class enforcement really is this consistent.

One thing I’d like to mention is that it is my view that Rustbloods are forced into the role of a Knight as much as the role of the Maid. For that matter, the Knight role seems to be forced on Bronzebloods, too.

There’s a pretty strong association between Butlers/Serving and Knights and Pages, with Knights typically serving others and Pages being the recipients of service. Mindfang describes Redglare as a “civil servant”. John refers to Dave as “serving all the ladies”, and asks why he can’t have a Dave butler, too. 

Dirk and AR idolize Dave and strive to live up to the role of the Knight, and both are associated with Knights as a result. Grandpa remembers his Alpha friends, and Dirk specifically he recalls as a Knight, collecting suits of armor that evoke his memory. 

AR’s final sacrifice in the Masterpiece, he takes on as an act of service for the other Alphas–giving Dirk time to destroy Caliborn for good. After that, he spends eternity inside Lord English’s soul, living out his Knight fantasy, monkey’s paw style–he’s Lord English’s personal Butler.

Associations between pairs of Classes and corresponding symbolic Archetypes are all over Homestuck, and I think they help a lot in figuring out what’s going on. Xefros, for example, makes reference to Serving Dammek in Act 1, as associated with his Butler uniform.