LIVE-ACTION ROLEPLAY and
the IMPACT OF ANCESTORS

Pt. 1 – Vriska the Sylph & Tavros the Rogue

I’ve written about Homestuck’s Roleplay mechanic before, so you can read these links if you want some background. Roleplay is based on Jung’s idea of Archetypes, and Homestuck is a deeply Jungian work, so I think there’s a strong basis for considering the story in these terms.

The basic idea behind Roleplay is this: Whatever a character’s Class, if they strongly admire or want to emulate a figure with a different Class, they’ll adopt said Class’ symbolic imagery and key verb behavior. This will pretty much always go poorly, since the player in question is focused on being someone else instead of being themselves. 

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Vriska is like, kind of the ur example of this behavior, just because it’s so central to her character. I’ve talked about how she tries extremely hard to act like Aranea/Mindfang, by acting out the part of a Fairy. 

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Not much to add there, except to note that her Fairy God Troll behavior towards John (behavior that only Kanaya, a Sylph, shares while also succeeding in what she accomplishes) also leads to her Making/Creating Bec Noir. 

But let’s talk about someone who isn’t very interested in Roleplay at all:
Tavros Nitram.

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Vriska tells us that the common bloods are less likely to value historical legends and Alternian traditions, and that actually seems to reflect in the story mechanically. 

Eridan, Gamzee, Equius, Vriska, Terezi–all of these characters roleplay very heavily, and sit relatively high on the spectrum while sharing a passion for FLARP and/or historical systems of power, like the Hemospectrum or the Subjugglators.

Aradia, Karkat, Sollux, Tavros–all of these characters don’t really have much of an interest in their Ancestral Legacies. Tavros comes the closest, but it’s important to remember that his Rufioh is not the Summoner! He’s just a guy Tavros made up in his head or got from the Pupa Pan movie, not Rufioh himself.

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Vriska’s the one who read Mindfang’s Journal, and so she’s the one who relates Tavros to the Summoner, who is a Rogue of Breath. And when she tries to make Tavros stronger, what she wants is to make him more like him. 

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Let’s take this to the critical point of Vriska’s investment in Tavros, and focus on Tavros for once. One thing people don’t tend to notice is that his Aspect powers nearly came to light as he prepared to kiss Vriska–or, in other words, to give her Breath. This was something he made a conscious choice to do, which I view as a critical part of his arc as a Page–the Active Serve/Give class.

If he’d succeeded, he’d presumably have learned how to control his powers better, and become a more effective member of the team by taking direct control of his power.

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He does not succeed, as Vriska wants him to do things her way instead.

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And her way, of course, is to attempt to have Tavros kill her to spare her an agonizing death. Put another way, Vriska wants Tavros to steal her life, for her benefit.  This is behavior that would come naturally to a Rogue of Breath,
but it does not come naturally to Tavros.

Notice that Tavros grows increasingly covered in Blood during this section, by the way.His freedom and personal momentum are utterly crushed under the weight of his relationship with Vriska, and the responsibility she thrusts on him.

Calliope tells us that if a character is “corrupted by an outside influence”, their abilities may manifest in ways “in defiance of their Aspect”. Funnily enough, through roleplay, we can in fact reach scenarios similar to those of Inversion Theory, since it is true that players who are roleplaying intensely sometimes take on connotations of their dichotomous Aspect. 

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This is a perfect example, since a Page and a Rogue are in fact entirely opposites in verbs and active/passive affinity. Tavros does not like behaving Passively, and does not find himself comfortable killing for Vriska’s benefit, or for that matter being told what to do.

And both of them suffer heavily for it as a result. Vriska dies a slow and painful death, and Tavros finds the whole event so traumatizing and exhausting that he basically withdraws completely for the rest of the session. That’s the kind of intensely negative effect that forcing roles on others can have in Homestuck.

So what happens when characters willingly take on roles that aren’t natural to them? And how much can this system be said to apply to most characters in the story? 

Let’s try to answer both questions next time, when we explore the roleplay behaviors surrounding Eridan, Gamzee, and Kanaya during the height of Horrorstuck, and how Active/Passive alignment is communicated to the audience through visual symbolism.

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Til then, keep rising.

In part II of this mini-series on the Hero Titles, we take a closer look at the Classes. Reading them through the lens of Carl Jung’s mythic Archetypes and the existential duality of Yin/Yang, we develop an understanding of the Active/Passive split between classes and begin to get a sense of the broader system that defines each one. 

This also marks the announcement of another arm of this venture:
Comments response videos. From now on, I want to make you guys part of the conversation, so messages or questions sent to me on Tumblr, Twitter, or wherever may appear in videos as we converse and try to understand the nature of Hiveswap and Homestuck’s stories.

Wakraya’s (FAN-MADE) Class test can be found here!: https://homestuckexamination.tumblr.c… 

You can find the Class cards used in this video here: https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.c… 

You can support this project at: 

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Carol S. Pearson’s 12 Heroic Archetypes: http://www.carolspearson.com/archetyp…
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capital… 

“Jade Sylph”,
by Frank Haught https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/… 
Track Art by Michelle Czajkowski : https://www.patreon.com/avasdemon 

“Play the Rain”, 
by Robert Blaker   https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/…
Track Art by Suki: gingerybiscuit.tumblr.com
“Made of Time”,
by James Roach https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/…
Track Art by Alexia Khodanian: http://alexiadraws.tumblr.com 

The opening’s background music is The Poem For Everyone’s Souls, from the Persona soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
Intro music is “Nemuro Kinenkan”, from Revolutionary Girl Utena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8luvp…

[This video is a REUPLOAD of a prior video on the Classpect system!] 

What Pumpkin’s official Extended Zodiac: http://hs.hiveswap.com/ezodiac/index.php 

This is a video series focused on Homestuck’s Hero Title system, a hyperflexible mythology like Hogwarts houses or Bending type. The Hero Titles are based on The Legend of Zelda’s “Hero of Time” structure, and is split into two halves: 

The “Class”, which changes the “Hero” in the title to tell us more about the character’s particular skills and habits. 

And the “Aspect”, which changes the “Time” to one of twelve broad elemental forces. 

In this first video, we take a look at the Aspects in-depth. The two following videos will cover the Classes. 

You can find the Aspect cards used in this video here: https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.c… 

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Other cool writers, I don’t necessarily agree with them on everything but you may still find them interesting! I know I do:

Tex Talks:
https://www.youtube.com/user/thetruly…
Tex Talks’ Aspect videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TzB… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjZtB… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H7m2…
Bladekindeyewear: http://bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/po… DahnitheWitchofLight: http://dahniwitchoflight.tumblr.com
Muse base sprite by iceymermaid: http://iceymermaid.tumblr.com/
All other base sprites are from the MSPA Wiki.

Classpect chart by Spectralninja: https://spectral-ninja.deviantart.com…
Aspect gifs by Arraydia: http://arraydia.tumblr.com/aspects

Find the Music on Bandcamp! 

“Gold Mage”,
by repeatedScales https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/… 
Track Art by Prassio: http://prassio.tumblr.com 

“Jade Sylph”, by Frank Haught
https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/…
Track Art by Michelle Czajkowski : https://www.patreon.com/avasdemon 

The opening’s background music is The Poem For Everyone’s Souls, from the Persona soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU5ie…
The Intro music is “Nemuro Kinenkan”, from Revolutionary Girl Utena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8luvp…

homestuckexamination:

Role of the Creator – The Sylph


Those born
with the Role of the Sylph are meddlesome by nature. They enjoy
being aware of what’s going on with those around them, and can come off as
bothersome when they start prying where they shouldn’t. With rich internal
lives, they are passionate about their interests and will gladly share and
overshare with those they trust, yet may appear to alienate themselves from the
rest. An open book for the ones they love, an inscrutable riddle to the rest of
the world. Sylphs tend to act for the benefit of what they think is important,
be it other people, their beliefs or convictions, even when their help may not
be wanted, even if their means are questionable. At their best, they are
patient and gentle, bringers of unity and care to their circles. At their
worst, they can be Machiavellian, invasive and petty.

Sylphs are heavily tied to their Aspect, even more so than other
Classes. For them, their Aspect make up an integral part of their lives, and
shape them to a great degree. Whether it be Knowledge, Friendship, Faith,
Survival, a Sylph’s affinity may range from the Characteristic, to the
borderline Obsessive. They’re most comfortable when allowed to engage in their
interests, and given enough relevance and importance, they may become one of
the most powerful forces you could hope to have on your side. A restrained
Sylph will, however, often find themselves held back from becoming relevant,
fading into obscurity as they wait for their time to shine, and perhaps,
eventually breaking through what binds them to assert themselves where they
rightfully belong.

Being one of the Creator Classes, Sylphs are the Passive counterpart to Maids,
and similar to them, their strengths lie in Making things.
Creating, Increasing, Expanding or otherwise Improving their Aspect, or through
their Aspect, their power sets are strongly suited towards Healing, Repairing,
Empowering and Enabling their group to continue fighting. Don’t let that make
you think they are only suited for the back lines, however, if made to take
direct action, a Sylph channelling their Aspect is a force to be reckoned with.
They will fight for their cause and for those they love, they will keep going
until victory is achieved, or until they drop dead.

homestuckexamination:

Role of the Creator – The Maid


Those born
with the Role of the Maid tend to differ from their peers.
Generally alienated from the norm in some way or other, they struggle with what
fate has in store for them, and fight to liberate themselves in order to be
happy. The world seems to want them to give more than they are willing to with
little payback, wearing them out, and only by gaining control of their
situation and asserting what they want can they fully express themselves. While
held back, Maids tend to bottle up their true desires and emotions, they may
become complacent, even resigned about their situation, but once things reach a
breaking point, or hopefully, once given a chance to break free, they will let
their true demeanor out and seek what they think is best for themselves. They
can show a passionate love for they things they deem important, while holding a
similarly passionate contempt and dislike for the things that wronged them and
those they care about. At their best, they are capable, understanding,
encouraging and content. At their worst, they can be irascible, remorseful and
become alienated from the rest of their circle.

Maids share a very close relationship with their Aspect, which can
be often times as beneficial as it can be damaging. The struggle they need to
face and overcome is often related to their Aspect, but that doesn’t mean they
can only become happy if they reject it entirely. In fact, completely
disregarding their Aspect can be just as toxic for them as being shackled by
it. Freeing themselves to adopt facets selectively, or making what forcefully
bound them theirs instead, turning the tables on their situation, but never
casting their Aspect completely away, a fully realized Maid needs to know how
to strike a balance. Once this balance is found, they can become an extremely
effective and confident power to be relied on. Ignoring or dismissing a Maid’s
struggle and desires, however, can easily turn them against you, and they won’t
be afraid to hold it against you if things get bad enough.

Being one of the Creator Classes, Maids are the Active counterpart to Sylphs,
and similar to them, their strengths lie in Making things. The
power of Creation, Improvement, Growth, flows through them, allowing them to
amplify their impact in combat or empower themselves with their Aspect. Not
only that, but, while more prone to taking direct action, Maids can just as
easily use their powers to similarly Aid and Enable those they’re fighting
alongside with, allowing them to be reliable in any situation. They fight for
what they want, and they are going to take it.

Having the aspects of the beta trolls’ signs as a (conscience or not) harmful cultural ideal for each caste feels weird to me. Despite their society being used to facilitate their role in LE’s will, I wouldn’t think that the players against his tyranny would BE that ideal. It just feels weird you know? Why would these characters being who they are, be what a post-doc scratch society values? I think that may be what bothers ppl most if they don’t think that one theory has substantial subtext. 1/2

It actually seems odd to me personally because in some cases the beta trolls we’re led to try and surpress who they really were and what they really wanted because of cultural expectations. (though you could say this has more to do with class roleplay than aspects in the case of just about everyone but karkat I think? Kinda?) also the trolls seemed made out (or stated) to be exceptions among their castes, some people think that’s important and relevant (I could stand to debate that) 2/2

I’m not sure what to say about the trolls being a cultural ideal thing. This is, again, not really about adulating the trolls themselves. The only thing that seems to claim a hold over the Castes is the sign’s Aspect. And I’m not particularly sure it’s about what society values on a cultural level. In a lot of ways, this stuff seems to show up as a kind of stereotyping. Xefros says indigos break cutlery, as if its something expected of the caste. There’s all sorts of statements about how society stereotypically views Rustbloods. So on.

That said, you hit the nail on the head. The Sburb trolls are all still immensely confused and acting against form–it’s just that almost all of them are doing so based on Class confusion, attempting to roleplay other classes without realizing what they’re doing and whatnot. 

This presumed Aspect confusion, if correct, would be an additional layer of difficulty, that the Homestuck trolls were largely spared but everyone else on Alternia has to deal with to varying degrees. It would also be an evolution of the Classpect system, as far as our understanding of it goes.

I’m not sure what it means for the trolls to be exceptions among their castes, but if they’re uniquely powerful, that might have to do with them being handed a relative lucky break by not having their blood Caste steer them away from their natural Aspect alignment. If troll powers per Caste are linked to Aspect, but most members have different Aspect affinities, then suddenly it makes sense to some extent that one rustblood would have weaker psychic powers than another, and so on.

That said, maybe the most important thing to get across here is that I’m not even particularly sure about this whole setup existing! Even if people do agree with me, I would really rather not come off like this is all DEFINITELY, FOR SURE, SUPER IN THE TEXT and have people get super married to the idea. I think it’s interesting and fun and want to foster excitement for Hiveswap where I can, but my approach to this stuff is always pretty tentative. 

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Xefros is a Rage player, yet thinks a lot about Time. Dammek is a Blood player, yet the main thing he steals from Xefros is a Hoverpad–an object of detachment, freedom, and literal Flight, who’s projected beam is literally Breath Blue. All this in the same game where Joey is being strongly linked to both Light and Life, simultaneously. Why are these double Aspect tendencies happening? Is there a logic to them, or are we just reading too much into it? And if there is a logic to them, what might it be?

 At this point, the amount of confidence I invest in WP’s writing is such that I default to assuming that if I’m wrong, it’s because something better and more interesting is going on. So if I sound more willing to speculate than I used to be, it’s because I’m entirely comfortable with turning out to be incorrect about x or y thing. Wak’s theory is currently the best guess I’ve picked up on, so I’m running with it. But it could likely be wrong.

It’s even possible we ARE reading too much into the text, and WP just doesn’t want us thinking about Classpects in Act 1! Learning even that much would be useful in helping us figure out how to approach WP’s stories in the future. But Homestuck always lent itself to in-depth reading, and for now doing the same with Hiveswap feels meaningful and interesting. More importantly than that, it’s fun. So I think it’s worth doing.

But I don’t want my attempts to come to this venture with an air of fun and confidence to come off as me being certain, or proclaiming an Absolute Truth about the narrative. 
I’m raising questions here, not delivering answers. 

look i am telling you, the ‘true’ sign thing is only in relation to us, the people taking the test, who know what they are and know what the ‘true’ zodiac is. within troll culture itself, i highly doubt that there is anything remotely special about any of them. for example, i HIGHLY doubt trolls consider cancer the ‘true’ sign for limebloods, considering how the sign came about way after limebloods were supposedly wiped out.

I don’t know that anyone’s arguing that troll society itself conciously considers those signs special, so I’m not sure why you’re addressing me as such.

But insofar as canon goes, those signs are already explicitly special, by virtue of the fact that their holders are the ones who all of Alternia exists to faciliate, so that they in turn can facilitate the existence of LE. Literally all of Alternian history already revolves around the 24 trolls who play Sburb–the beginning of the race, it’s evolution towards exploitative fascism, it’s eventual apocalypse–ALL of it traces back to the 24 trolls who play Sburb. Trying to tell me the signs associated with those trolls aren’t special is…kind of ridiculous?

Whether or not troll society is aware of that, or treats them with any special distinction, is beside the point. I’d guess they probably don’t! Why treat a Rustblood sign with any particular distinction if they’re all rubbish in the end, in Alternia’s eyes? Etc.

But the only thing Wak seems to be arguing for is an association between the Castes and the True Sign’s ASPECT, not the True Sign itself. And I feel that’s already demonstrably true, to some extent. 

All rustbloods have to think about their short lifespans and imminent deaths, and going by Xefros’ example, the sheer amount of time they’re expected to devote to intense service, too. All of that lends itself to a focus on thinking in terms of Time. All goldbloods have to think about the possibility of being conscripted to exploitative, sacrificial service if their psiionics are good enough. That lends itself to a cultural pattern of thinking about Doom. Olivebloods seem to be living in the wild, which would distance them from society and make them more aware of their Selves–and so, Heart.

So on and so forth. That dynamic is what I’m interested in, moreso than anything about the True Signs themselves. I currently regard them as indicators, not much else–the groundwork for this idea is all over troll lore, and that’s why it interests me. It’s possible we’re way off base here, but if so, I expect Act 2 will make that clear. Does that clear up my position for you, anon?

whatpumpkin:

Troll Call! Another two for one.

Curious about these new signs? Take the Extended Zodiac Test!

xI love them!!!

I don’t have much to say about Folykl right now, other than cool design.

But Maxlol’s eye colors are pretty interesting. The two-color duality motif typically associated with Goldbloods is present with him, but to a much lesser extent than it is for Sollux or Mituna–he’s got the eye colors, but isn’t color coordinating his outfits or anything.

If Wakraya is correct, and Castes are linked to their respective True Sign’s Aspect, then we can read that as him being somewhat influenced by his Castes’ cultural connection to Doom. Which makes sense, since he’s apparently excited to become a living technology/sacrifice for the empire.

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And the colors of Maxlol’s eyes are themselves pretty interesting. His left eye reads as Hope yellow pretty easily, but more fascinatingly, his Right eye is the purple color associated with Rage–Hope’s complementary Aspect.

This means that while his psiionics reflect the duality motif usually associated with Doom, they also seem linked to his true Aspect, and the opposing force that balances it. Fascinating stuff! I’m excited to learn more about you, Maxlol :33

A thank you to all of you following so far, as well as an update on this channel. From now on, videos will go up on the 2nd and 4th Saturdays of every month, at 8 PM EST.

This begins this Saturday, with a reupload of our video on Classpects, this time as a two part series. Part 3–an expansion focused on six Class Archetypes (excluding that of Lord and Muse, the Conductor)–will be released on December 30th. 

pencilkind-specibus:

definitely-not-lordenglish:

hypeswap:

every maid and sylph in homestuck resurrected from a death that they should not have been able to revive from

aradia: dream self/god tier
kanaya: rainbow drinker
jane: dream self lifey thing
aranea: ring of life
porrim: rainbow drinker [i’m making an assumption about how she originally awakened her vampire powers, but i think it’s probable that she matches the pattern]

Huh…

@revolutionaryduelist

@creative-classpect

Just as interesting, all of them transform-usually as a result of that ressurection–into more ethereal or imaginary-coded sorts of beings. Porrim and Kanaya become vampires, Aradia becomes a spooky ghost, Aranea becomes a true immortal. 

Jane doesn’t transform as a result of her death (being a Life player gives her some more grounded but still very intense connotations, I feel), but she eventually becomes more ethereal and otherworldy when becoming a Trickster. 
This association with becoming imaginary/fantastical beings is p interesting, given that both classes are linked to fairies.

Seers and Mages also have links to impossible resurrections. Terezi, a Passive player, orchestrates the revival of Vriska. Sollux somehow skirts the edge of death by ending up a Half-Ghost. 

The focus here seems to be on miracles rather than solely ressurection–Rose performs a similarly impossible feat by guiding everyone through the Void–but the association with historical Prophets’ habit of reviving others/themselves is interesting, especially since it lacks the imaginary being/fairy connotation.