What do you think of textalks’ take on maid/heir as a pair?

arrghus:

revolutionaryduelist:

I haven’t really been convinced by it. There’s no archetype connecting the two, and most maid/heir models typically make maid passive and heir active, where I think canon suggests the opposite.

I found that assertion really interesting because the parallel he mentions is definitely there, even if it’s not necessarily the main thing about the classes. Mostly it boils down to an observed trend of Maids losing parts of themselves and being pressed into service by an outside force, be it the voices of ancestors, the will of the Condesce, or more vague societal pressures. Coupled with the fact that John (and to a lesser extent Equius) kind of has a lot of his power given to him in the form of an apparent outside force, and it’s not a hard conclusion to reach, doubly so with the immediate emotional associations of the words “Maid” and “Heir”. That I don’t agree with this conclusion mostly just boils down to, like, having a lot of other evidence pointing in other directions, like the fact that each class pair seems to share an overt archetype linking them, and there isn’t really such a one for Maid and Heir.

this is a better, more fleshed out answer than my initial one so here u go

(I apologize in advance if I come off as rude or obnoxious, but this has bothered me for so long) So it’s recently come to my attention that some people are still oblivious to how classes work. Sayings Knights are passive? (Big oof) It’s obvious that pages in general are a very naïve class that is exploited by other people. (Passive aspect) So tell me why the exploiter would be the PASSIVE to the exploited? It really doesn’t seem right in a legitimate sense. (Again sorry if I came out as rude)

i dunno about rude, i’m just amused

the tl;dr  is that I’m perfectly aware of the interpretation of Knight/Page as the Active/Passive “Exploit” pair. I held the view for years, since I was introduced to classpect theory by BKEW. You’re not dealing with someone who’s oblivious– you’re dealing with a different interpretation of these Classes.

I don’t even use the verb “Exploit” but the verb “Serve”, which I think has considerably more support in canon. I don’t agree with that characterization of Pages at all, either. I’ve written a tooon on Knights and Pages you can find on my Medium page or by looking through my blog if you want, so I’m not gonna rehash the debate here.

Canon or Hussie’s eventual Class test will presumably provide us incontrovertible evidence for which view (if either) is correct eventually. Until then it’s just fun stuff to talk about and consider.

https://www.patreon.com/optimisticDuelist

I wanted to talk about at least some of the Friendsim trolls, so for now here’s a look at my favorites: Folykl and Kuprum. I’m really only hazarding guesses as to what their Classes might be, but this feels like a good match considering what we see in Homestuck.

Linked below are also some longer articles I’ve written about Knights, Witches, and some other stuff you might like to check up on.

PS: I decided to forego censors on this episode since it would be pretty hard to convey Folykl and Kuprum’s personalities while blocking out every other word they say.

Knights & Witches:

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/fo…
https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/fo…

Jade Harley & Davepeta:
https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/wi…

BGM: “tfw another james roach track”, by James Roach:
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Pretty neat that other people have been asking about blood too, cause that’s what I am (partially thanks to your analyses!). But what would you think about powers of a blood user of a passive class, particularly for classes like rogue or page?

I think of Knights as the passive class, with Pages as active.

On which note, I dunno? No reason passive classes couldn’t use something like red miles. One time i had karkat develop like, steven universe-like bubble powers with the force of his IMPENETRABLE LOVE for Dave in a fanfic. Bloodbending, bloodhound-like “find anyone” abilities, bondage-themed movement debuffs on the enemy, making sure the party has enough iron supplements…theres lots of stuff a blood player could do. sky’s the limit.

How did you gather any knowledge of Mages in homestuck? I mean there’s no one that godtiered and both mages didn’t really had big parts like others. Sollux, after the shit that happened in the game just went to the dream bubbles and never played a major role, we literally saw Meulin once and she was just a tumblr shipper (or was brainwashed) they have nothing in common either.

I’d suggest looking at the very long essays on Classpects I’ve already written for answers here. For starters, I don’t think going God Tier is necessary to play out the role implied by your class. From my perspective, not playing a “big role” is actually better for class purposes, too, since it means characters exist in the story and exert their impacts over it in more concentrated ways.

This includes the dancestors, who are in many ways pretty much Classpect silhouettes. Anyway, here:

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/force-and-flow-the-aspects-arent-the-only-existential-duality-at-play-in-classpects-fd1c3958314c

Hi question im looking for a theory and i thought since you are The Theory Dude maybe you know who wrote it? It’s about how all aspects are meant to symbolise different story things (light is plot relevance /void plot irrelevance etc) and your latest video made me think of it (with the life is good / evil bit) and i really want to read it again and Think About It

That sounds like Tex Talk’s youtube series!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TzBgFx3mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWeWowY-KHY

He’s the one who first linked Rage to plot contrivance. That last video is an audio post where he discusses what EVERY aspect means metatextually and it’s really good, I think!

Okay so i finally started playing hiveswap (i know W a y too late) and since all the trolls in the friendsim have two aspects, one connected to their bloodcaste and one Real one, do you think it’s more likely that Joey is actually a light player who is influenced by Nana Egbert or a life player who is influenced by A. Claire (since she made all the star paintings?) it’s a bit vague since the flashlight is her old weapon (not current) and her love for animals makes her unhappy because of Pa

She’s definitely influenced by A. Claire (she outright says she wants to be just like her tons of times, after all), but hilariously enough that doesn’t actually help me figure out whether she’s getting Life or Light influence from her at the moment, for Reasons.