Tag: classpects

Could you elaborate on the hope player sexuality filter you mentioned with Maxlol? I think I know where you’re going with that but I’m still curious.

every hope player we’ve seen across the board has had something to do with sexuality, and most are pretty, uh. horny. for lack of a better word.

Eridan and Cronus. Moving on…

There’s Jake’s x-rated fantasies about Aranea, as well as his admission that he’s harbored thoughts for all his friends–Roxy, Jane, and Dirk. And all of those friends had similar feelings for him.

Diemen’s got his phallic sausage jokes, and once he gets into you he tries to steal a kiss. Once Cirava Changes you/lets you get Changed, the Reader is rewarded with tons of followers interested in them romantically/asking if they’re single.

Elwurd and Maxlol are both transparently horny and quite intense about it-Maxlol even sublimates his horniness into a twisted desire for servitude, which notably vibes with the class I’m alleging for him.

That’s 7/7 hopebound, so far. i think we can call this a solid trend.

I’ve seen a few people suggest folykl is a thief, but I see her as a mage, seeing as she’s literally suffering through her aspect, void(rot)

I didn’t buy into the “Mages suffer” headcanon back before the premier example of that idea–Sollux– was canonically established to have the suffering Aspect. Every character we’ve seen in both Homestuck and the Friendsims have suffered their aspect one way or another, so that by itself doesnt really tell me much of anything at all.

What do you think Elwurd, Kuprum and Folykl’s classpects are?

Honestly vol 6 blindsided me, to the extent that classpect stuff isn’t even what I found most exciting about it. It ended up not being at the forefront of my mind while playing and I def missed stuff. I’ll have to replay them eventually. anyhow

MAXLOL & FOLKLYL

This is just a thought, but Kuprum and Foklyl both them seem to echo a Mage of Doom-they know how each of them are doomed, just like Cirava did, and this awareness lends to a self-serving nature and a sense of self-assured arrogance. Starting to remind me of how all indigos seem to evoke pages.

I’m not sure about Folklyl’s Class. I kinda feel like Thief, kinda feel like Page, could go either way if she’s a creator class. Rogue almost makes sense but I consider it less likely since we have a Rogue of Void in Roxy already.

Maxlol I suspected was a Knight of Hope as early as Troll Call, and everything I saw confirmed as much for me. I suspected he’d believe in the empire a lot and serve “through Hope” that way

And Maxlol DOES turn out to rationalize his service to the empire through Hope…but it has nothing to do with faith in the empire or Trizza. It just goes through the Hope player sexuality filter. Which is. hilarious, frankly.

He uses his powers to serve (help, give, protect) his friends Hope, or serve (totally own/defeat/beat) his enemies through Hope–literally, through his Hope and Rage colored psiionics. Goldbloods’s duality motif manifests as Maxlol seemingly using both his primary aspect and its complement.

Bonus points for the fact that even in a situation Maxlol might have interpreted as him getting cheated on or w.e, his instinct is to help the MSPA Reader give Folklyl power–Folklyl has to literally tell him to “stop helping”. An event that’s pretty Hope coded–kisses, shows of affection, the general nsfw-y nature of it all.

ELWURD

Strikes me as a witch of hope, mainly because she seems quite disappointed at her inability to Change bronya into a bad girl. The MSPA Reader quite gleefully parses as someone who tries to become her familiar figure, joining them in Hope-fueled pretense, moving the Reader to lie to Elwurd directly or to lie to Bronya with Elwurd.

Either way, the ability to commit to a lie remains a powerful Hope motif. As does horniness. Elwurd’s true “familiar” figure in this paradigm would likely be Bronya, who Elwurd can’t get over and also can’t stop lying to.

Elwurd’s biggest romantic obstacle is her overly inflated self-Importance(Light) which holds her back from being honest about her feelings. This culminates in an act of theft that Elwurd denied ever happening, to force continued interaction with Bronya.  So i think its reasonable to suspect shes roleplaying a Thief of Light, and its not doing wonders for her if so.

Rather than a Witch, its also possible shes a Rogue with their particular fixations on romantic partners. Heir is a possibility, though I feel pretty strongly Cirava’s an Heir of Hope, so I think its likely she’s a Witch if they’re both change-classes. I may just be overstating the Change references in either of their texts, but I don’t think so.

Guess we’ll learn more later, but those are my thoughts right now!

I know you’ve speculated on the Hiveswap kids classpects previously but I’d like to ask you this: What classpects would you give the four kids if you stick to the theory that their classpects are composed from the unused classes/aspects between the Betas and Alphas? Mage, Thief, Sylph and Bard and Blood, Mind, Doom and Rage respectively. (Also can you ignore the class-gender lock for this ask if you don’t do so already as it shoehorns Sylph onto Joey otherwise.) P.S. Love your theory work.

creamcloud0:

revolutionaryduelist:

The trouble with this ask is that it completely goes against my methodology.
I build my guesses for classpects very directly from what I believe are deliberate cues built into the text-Archetype associations, key verb usage, etc. I’m speculating, sure, but I’m not doing so based on broad themes.

Xefros and Dammek are explicitly Rage and Blood respectively, we know this. That leaves Doom and Mind for Jude and Joey. It seems to me Jude has strong Doom imagery, which could be roleplay, so he might in truth be a Mind player.
But Joey’s imagery is split between Light and Life, so there’s no Doom or Mind for me to work with there atm.

It’s always possible the stuff I’m picking up on is wrong, or a red herring. But as my view of the text stands right now, I just don’t see how it breaks down this way. And I don’t particularly feel its necessary, given that we’re getting classpects with every single troll call troll.

If that’s what you think then that’s fine by me but I’d like to add my own opinions onto this too for anyone who wants to hear them, Having seen your recent Dammek video I would have to say I agree with your conclusion of him being a Thief of Blood while I’m of the opinion that Jude may infact be a Mage of Mind, Joey as a Bard of Doom (Destruction of Doom possibly giving you your Life imagery) and Xefros a Sylph of Rage.

That’s cool! I actually wouldn’t be surprised to have Jude turn out to be a Mage of Mind, since I already parse him as a Know class.

What would trip me up with Joey as a bard is that I’d expect to see A) use of the “destroy” verb somewhere in Hiveswap’s text, and B) an association with royalty or aristocracy.

In archetypal terms, I’ve seen Joey instead be linked to Magic, whether via her wizard themed dances, affinity for magical girls, or her animal posters. This makes either Maid/Sylph (Fairies) or Heir/Witch (Magicians) seem likely to me.

So I’m currently inclined to think she’s either a Maid, or an Heir roleplaying a Maid.

Conversely, if Xefros were a Sylph, I’d expect him to be linked to magic and/or fairies or some kind of imaginary being, be it a demon, elf, angel, or some other kind of fae. I’d also expect to see some usage of the make/create verbs.

I haven’t presently noticed either, but I could be missing something, and of course this is only my own methodology. A diversity of approaches can only be a good thing, imo! Best to keep an open mind, considering it’s starting to seem likely this stuff will factor into Hiveswap’s puzzle elements to me.

I know you’ve speculated on the Hiveswap kids classpects previously but I’d like to ask you this: What classpects would you give the four kids if you stick to the theory that their classpects are composed from the unused classes/aspects between the Betas and Alphas? Mage, Thief, Sylph and Bard and Blood, Mind, Doom and Rage respectively. (Also can you ignore the class-gender lock for this ask if you don’t do so already as it shoehorns Sylph onto Joey otherwise.) P.S. Love your theory work.

The trouble with this ask is that it completely goes against my methodology.
I build my guesses for classpects very directly from what I believe are deliberate cues built into the text-Archetype associations, key verb usage, etc. I’m speculating, sure, but I’m not doing so based on broad themes.

Xefros and Dammek are explicitly Rage and Blood respectively, we know this. That leaves Doom and Mind for Jude and Joey. It seems to me Jude has strong Doom imagery, which could be roleplay, so he might in truth be a Mind player.
But Joey’s imagery is split between Light and Life, so there’s no Doom or Mind for me to work with there atm.

It’s always possible the stuff I’m picking up on is wrong, or a red herring. But as my view of the text stands right now, I just don’t see how it breaks down this way. And I don’t particularly feel its necessary, given that we’re getting classpects with every single troll call troll.

nightcigale:

Hi everyone, hope you all doing great! ᕙ( * •̀ ᗜ •́ * )ᕗ
Here’s some edits I did last week!

Heir of Time • @lil-munchkin-pumpkin
Mage of Mind • @le-new-homestuck (those horns are SO CUTE)
Heir of Hope • @revolutionaryduelist
Mage of Time • @hippanthropy
Rogue of Void • @f1rstaidkit
Knight of Hope • @poetic-irony
Maid of Light • @crowbarb

Also, here’s a special one I did for TAZ o/

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I’ve achieved my FINAL FORM B)

So… How exactly Pearson archetypes correspond to Homestuck classes? Did you solve the system so to speak?

Anon is referring to this list of archetypes, for those unaware:
http://www.uiltexas.org/files/capitalconference/Twelve_Character_Archetypes.pdf

I don’t know that I solved the system, or that there’s even something to solve. But I do think looking at what each archetype says about different personality types is quite illuminating in seeking out what each Class suggests about the player’s personality.

Far as I can tell, they line up roughly, with some areas of overlap and some archetypes that seem to apply to one or two classes simultaneously–usually Active/Passive pairs, notably.

But I’m not exactly 100% sure the one is based on the other at the moment. It’s close enough to be extremely useful to me, but messy enough that I’m not inclined to call it literal canon.

Also, it’s worth noting Roleplay blurs the lines on the Class end. IE: When a player roleplays a Rogue, they end up taking on traits/struggles associated with the Lover. Rose and Tavros both do this at different points.

Here’s a list, as I see it:

Innocent-Page
Orphan-Knight
Lover-Rogue
Seeker-Thief

Warrior-Prince
Destroyer-Bard
Creator-Maid
Caregiver-Sylph

Sage-Mage, Seer
Magician-Heir, Witch
Ruler- Muse, Lord, weirdly the Witch kinda jives with some traits here too
Fool/Jester- Bard/Heir, which is pretty odd too. But then, John and Gamzee are both explicitly linked to fools and jesters quite notably, so as odd as it is, it lingers.

Random thought: what if the verbs for change & know were actually spell (like magic spells or spelling) and read, respectively?

I’ve considered that (though I went for Speech for the know classes; speaking/talking a lot is something all the prophet classes are known for and kind of a relevant idea to being a prophet in general, no?)

but i think those more specific verbs are too constrincting, compared to the versatility of change and know. I still consider them part of each class’ toolbelt though–every class’ verb is associated with some synonyms or close kins, like:

Make: Heal, improve, fix,

Destroy: Break

Steal: Take

Serve: Give, Beat (as in beating), Help,

Command: Master

And all of the verbs are linked to either Exploit or Invite/Allow, depending on Active vs. Passive behavior.