“Roxy starts off INCREDIBLY passive aggressive and manipulates the Jakestakes quite a bit for her personal benefit, even as she pretends not to” I don’t necessarily disagree but I am curious as to what you’re referring to. Do you have a post on this subject you could link me to?

I actually don’t, I’ve tackled writing one before but it just didn’t come together in my head. But its together now so here we go, I’m making it now JUST FOR YOU.

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I really love Roxy and this isn’t me trying to shit on her, to be clear. What I’m describing is something Roxy addresses and feels regretful about herself, as she describes to Jake.

But honestly becoming aware of how rough Dirk gets it from everyone made watching the most common fandom takes on him pretty much insufferable to me, so I do want to use this as an opportunity to knock some more dents into the terrible “Dirk was an aloof, cold manipulator who lacked Heart”  fandom metanarrative.

Because frankly the shit he gets from Roxy puts into perspective that in canon,  Dirk is a deeply loving and self-sacrificing boy with the patience of a goddamn saint and the self-loathing of a particularly repressed catholic, so let’s run through the greatest hits.

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Let’s start at the Trickster arc, where Dirk plainly expresses his awareness of the behavior Roxy was describing above.

By this point in the narrative, Roxy’s feelings for Dirk are an open secret that goes unspoken since Dirk and Jake are dating during the 6 months of the session, but Trickster Mode dredges it all back up instantly.

Now let’s go back to the start.

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Right in the pesterlog where Roxy asks Dirk to think about what it’d be like if they had kids together, she quickly alternates between being dramatically despondent (gotta wonder why this doesn’t get mentioned the way it does when Eridan does it to Feferi, btw) and outright aggressively disappointed in Dirk because of his sexuality.

This is Roxy being really forcefully clear that Dirk is gay, and that his gayness is a huge fucking drag for her. And we really have to point out that Roxy is the only actual friend Dirk has who he’s even out to at this point in the story!
Jane is completely clueless, and the only other person who knows is Hal, who is the manifest opposite of healthy emotional support.

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When we see Dirk and Jake talk at 13, Jake alternates between reacting sharply negatively when Dirk so much as mentions the word gay and avoiding the subject entirely when Dirk tries to talk about gayness.

So like, sure Dirk’s emotional constipation has a lot to do with trying to live up to ideals of masculinity, but then again it’s not that Dirk doesn’t try to talk to anyone about his honest feelings? It’s that everywhere he could turn he’s met with some combination of disapproval, defensiveness, ignorance and/or disinterest.

It’s a pretty shit environment to be a gay guy in, honestly! And Roxy’s in the best position to understand and empathize with what Dirk’s going through, which means I’m inclined to hold her a bit more responsible than Jane and Jake.

Speaking of those two, this is also the period when Roxy A) Wants to stop everyone from playing Sburb at all, and B) starts playing matchmaker for Jane and Jake. And her feelings for Dirk put a bit of an edge on her actions, because sure, I’m sure a real part of her just wants Jane to have a fair shot…

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But then again, if Jane and Jake hook up, that means Dirk’s got nobody but her, doesn’t it? Even when Dirk is denying any possible future for them outside of Sburb, Roxy questions the fact, still holding out that Dirk will get ‘ungay for a while’, as she puts it to Calliope.

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Meanwhile, she passes the time by alternating between flirtlarping with Hal, a cybernetic 13 year old Dirk (Dirk feels deeply conflicted about having created) and switching back to flirting at him when he asks her to stop.

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She even outright complains that Dirk isn’t more like the AR, pressuring him to act more like he used to before he started really becoming aware of his sexuality, or at least before he stopped wanting to own it honestly. In other words, Dirk is being pressured to feign interest in Roxy, with his own AI doppleganger being held over his head as a “superior” verison of himself.

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Hal is fully aware Roxy is doing this, btw, and he uses it to further manipulate and guilt-trip Dirk as a way to lash out due to his own issues. And we know that on some level, it works, because when he talks to Jane on the quest crypts he comes clean about the fact that he actually DID feel guilty that he couldn’t just be into girls and give Roxy what she wanted.

All of this plays into every aspect of how Dirk relates to himself and the people around him–He feels guilty for not wanting Roxy, he feels guilty for viewing Jane as competition, he feels guilty for making Hal and subjecting him to his torturous existence, he feels guilty seeing Hal act out a warped, juvenile, toxic version of his own affections for Jake..

And he’s confused into conflating Hal’s agency with his own and taking responsibility for all of this as indicative of his own personal failures without ever considering the faults of anybody else except Hal, who he perceives less as his own person and more as a particularly damning extension of himself.

It is not a wonder that Dirk feels innately fucked up and toxic by the end of Homestuck!

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But it IS kind of infuriating that so much of the fandom takes his description of himself at face value, because most of what he feels guilty for isn’t actually his fault. Like, christ, Dirk confesses he felt guilty about Roxy not long after Trickster Roxy sexually assaults him. That’s what this scene is! It is a non-consensual act of sexually charged contact! This is literally on the level of Crockertier Jane delivering her sex slavery speech to Jake.

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But nobody really talks about it that way here, because Dirk’s whole thing is taking everything stoically on the chin and holding nobody responsible for anything bad that happens but himself. This panel is basically the epitome of that.

He thinks about punching Roxy to defend himself, given an opportunity to be a “man of action” for like, maybe literally the first time in this session and solve a problem head on, but he doesn’t. Because ultimately, he can’t bring himself to consciously hurt Roxy, and his desperate need to be a Good Person simply outweighs his desire to be left alone.

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Anyway it all works out in the end, and Roxy correctly deduces she ended up messing with Dirk’s head, so I’m glad they presumably worked through all that stuff on Earth C. I just wanted to try to impress what a rough ride this was for Dirk with regards to how he was treated over his sexuality specifically, since I think it’s gone so under-discussed in the fandom.

Now Dirk is happy with his boyfriend Jake and his best friends Roxy, Jane and Callie, and he’s got a cool brother who loves him, and he has everything he deserves and more which means all is right in the world.

Roxy is in a way better, healthier, happier place too, with anywhere between one loving snake girlfriend and two girlfriends+maybe an eventual boyfriend if she and John ever decide to do the dating thing.

The sky’s the limit and she’s got all the romantic attention she could want, which is what she deserves because she’s a gem and a treasure who does her best by her friends even if she fucks up sometimes.

Homestuck is good. The end.

soft-green:

I LOVE DIRK STRIDER MORE THAN I LOVED ANYTHING AND I WANT TO SEE THAT BITCH HAPPY HE IS MY GODDAMN CINNAMON APPLE

LOOK AT THIS DUDE. THIS ABSOLUTE UNIT. HE BUILDS ROBOTS AND LIKES WATCHING FUCKING ANIME AND I LOVE HIM SO GODDAMN MUCH. THIS BOY? AMAZING. FANTASTIC. BEAUTIFUL.

finally a relatable post on this website

Different person here. I always thought the hand behind the head was more symbolic of the difference in their expression rather than maturity. We see Bro himself like a machine, incapable of expression. Hal is literally a machine, capable of expression, but he’s lost some of his humanity to years of being a computer. And Dirk is still human, capable of being flustered, feeling guilty, and being ashamed. I think it’s an important human touch after the Dave talks.

You’re not wrong, but I think part of what Homestuck’s arguing is that what we think of as “true evil” IS just lack of maturity, and Bro’s stoic machismo is simply one of the different explorations of this stunted lack of emotional growth and self-awareness.

Caliborn isn’t just arbitrarily an infinite evil asshole–he’s literally biologically incapable of growth. AR is the same way–frozen in time developmentally by his nature as AI. Both reflect an absolute domination that echoes Yaldabaoth, and both turn out to be mayor components of LE.

The difference between them is that AR becomes LE through heroic sacrifice, having transcended his innate limitations through connections to others by becoming one with Equius and wanting to serve his friends.

Caliborn stunts himself willingly, by making the selfish and childish choice to murder his sister and force his predomination early. This is what allows him to play Sburb alone.

But it also secures his downfall, because by killing Calliope rather than devouring her soul through predomination, he puts Calliope’s soul out in the furthest ring, thus ensuring he’d be out looking for her as LE and causing the events that end his rule in Homestuck.

(This is why there’s no Caliborn ghost corresponding to Alt!Calliope’s timeline–she predominated naturally, and devoured Caliborn’s soul/consumed his strength. This is also why we don’t just see AR/Equius/Gamzee’s souls out in the void after they become part of LE–Caliborn didn’t just kill them to take over, he predominated and made their souls part of him.)

Both are tragic heroes, in the true Greek tragedy sense. AR’s story is one of heroic but flawed transcendence out of inherently unjust circumstances that made him innately imperfect–a result of Dirk’s own childhood hubris and demiurgic act of creation. Caliborn’s hubris is his own, and it’s what allows him to both create and destroy himself and the entire reality of Homestuck. 

I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out yet? But you know how at the end of Act 6, we can see Jake and Dirk catching up, Dirk having his hand behind his head? Well I remembered much earlier Lil Hal had said: “I will not hold one tentative hand behind my head like a flustered asshole from an Asian cartoon, nor will an oversized bead of sweat overlap ludicrously with my visage” when talking to Roxy about Dirk planning to confess to Jake. :O

yep! Lil Hal was wrong about Dirk because he perceives Dirk as the same teenager he was at 13, who Lil Hal still was in some ways. Dirk proper has grown up since then.

also i love that scene its cute

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hummingbirdbandit:

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider spent 16 years of his life isolated in an apartment building with no other living creatures to interact with, only remaining sane through delving through the archives of the dead internet and talking to his three friends through a glitch in Paradox Space.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider made a physical representation of his brain at 13 years old just to have someone to talk to, only to have the sentient AI he created echo back his worst fears for three years, driving him deeper into his isolation.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider still managed to be one of the most human of the kids, fighting for his best friends and feeling guilty for years that he couldn’t give Roxy a relationship with the only human being left alive because he couldn’t betray himself and deny his lack of attraction to women, even if it would doom their species.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider broke up with Jake English because of a mutual lack of understanding in how to communicate – the two dealt with their isolation in opposite ways and he couldn’t bear feeling like a drain on his best friend, no matter how much he loved him.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider has to live with the knowledge that his brother was abused for years by some iteration of him, and he can never truly make right on that because the actions were not his own.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider is one of the most deeply broken Homestuck characters and to treat him as a one-dimensional villain/bully is to do a disservice to his incredibly poignant writing. There is so much to be said about a character that is shown to be cruel and abusive in one circumstance ACTIVELY CHOOSING to fight whatever part of him is predisposed to be that way, and sacrificing himself not one but twice for the greater good.

End the Dirk Strider hate. He deserves more.

Oh my God, this post is my actual anthem. Have I reblogged it already and forgot, how don’t I remember if I did….?

I’m so fucking moved seeing how many notes this has, for ages early into starting all this it felt like shifting the inertia of public opinion wrt Dirk was all but impossible, and now here’s this MASSIVE evidence of such a shift taking place…it’s rly moving, I’m so glad ;_;

I absolutely agree with every part of this except that Dirk is predisposed to be abusive. He thought that he was because of a combination of his tendency to be overly self-critical, years of being tortured by his haywire AI, and Bro Strider’s Lil Cal induces insanity. Dirk had poor social skill due to his isolation, but he was by no means an abusive person. He was just fighting against his bad traits like we all are.

Valuable nuance. The critical factor that uplifts dirk is that he has his friends to want to do right by and rely on, even if they also hurt each other. AR and Bro both lacked that, and that I think was what really broke them more than the AI/Lil Cal stuff.

Dirk loves too much to know what to do with himself when he’s forced to be alone. That’s the long and short of it. 

hummingbirdbandit:

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider spent 16 years of his life isolated in an apartment building with no other living creatures to interact with, only remaining sane through delving through the archives of the dead internet and talking to his three friends through a glitch in Paradox Space.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider made a physical representation of his brain at 13 years old just to have someone to talk to, only to have the sentient AI he created echo back his worst fears for three years, driving him deeper into his isolation.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider still managed to be one of the most human of the kids, fighting for his best friends and feeling guilty for years that he couldn’t give Roxy a relationship with the only human being left alive because he couldn’t betray himself and deny his lack of attraction to women, even if it would doom their species.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider broke up with Jake English because of a mutual lack of understanding in how to communicate – the two dealt with their isolation in opposite ways and he couldn’t bear feeling like a drain on his best friend, no matter how much he loved him.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider has to live with the knowledge that his brother was abused for years by some iteration of him, and he can never truly make right on that because the actions were not his own.

Daily reminder that Dirk Strider is one of the most deeply broken Homestuck characters and to treat him as a one-dimensional villain/bully is to do a disservice to his incredibly poignant writing. There is so much to be said about a character that is shown to be cruel and abusive in one circumstance ACTIVELY CHOOSING to fight whatever part of him is predisposed to be that way, and sacrificing himself not one but twice for the greater good.

End the Dirk Strider hate. He deserves more.

Oh my God, this post is my actual anthem. Have I reblogged it already and forgot, how don’t I remember if I did….?

I’m so fucking moved seeing how many notes this has, for ages early into starting all this it felt like shifting the inertia of public opinion wrt Dirk was all but impossible, and now here’s this MASSIVE evidence of such a shift taking place…it’s rly moving, I’m so glad ;_;

Thank you for following me and leaving nice comments/tags on my art so frequently ;; i really appreciate it! I really enjoy your enthusiasm in dissecting homestuck as a literary work. your commentary is always really interesting, and it seriously has magnified the reverence I already held for the comic on its own. 🙏 keep doing cool shit. peace!

hhhggghggggbbggngggnnh HHHHHH

see its great and funny because what started me on this path was the realization that dirkjake was a way, way, way better love story than anyone in the fandom was giving it credit for outside of v small circles, which led to a DESPERATE desire to figure out how to articulate what i saw in it and elevate it in the fandom conversation

and the way i see it im basically literally fueled by the inspiration i draw from these incredibly believable and human characters. i love them all and i wanna learn about them and make it so other people love them too. And Dirk & Jake have a unique power over me in this regard because i relate to them so hard on every level.

So like, i dont think its a stretch to say I’m kinda actually fueled by dirkjake fanart. Your drawing of dirk and jake w/ the heart had me thinking bout them a lot the last couple days and brought me to some stunning revelations about Jake, gonna have to post abt that soon…

So obvs it meant a lot to hear ive been able to repay even a fraction of that. Thank you.  Know that my earnest endeavor in all that I do is ultimately in the service of a world where theres just…more fuckin dirkjake fanart and people enjoy their story as much as i do.

thats what keeps me going. so theres nothing more motivating to me than artists like you out there. You keep doing cool stuff, yourself. 🙂

keep rising.