PROTECT KARAKO oh also some lore thoughts i guess

oh no i love this tiny little clown boy ;_; hes so good. OK theres a lot to talk about so lets start. big time spoilers below

Classpect:

The bottom line is I tentatively agree with the take that Karako’s a Lord of Mind, though Page seems like a plausible runner-up guess. Lord makes a fair bit of sense to me. There’s some obvious connections–Karako somehow ended up with a gold tooth, mirroring Caliborn’s.

Karako’s most emphasized attribute is his youth, Caliborn is identified by his eternal immaturity, and Porky Minch and Bastian (the two characters who most seem to infliuence Caliborn’s Lord status) are also either defined by an inability to grow up, or deal with a possible failure to do so, respectively.

And Karako does seem to operate pretty much off instinct, much like Caliborn.
That the Reader is left to carry on his will to punish the
Horror-Terrors is particularly compelling–the Reader has to make the CHOICE (Mind) to follow Karako into death, and getting onto the carousel is their reward for doing so.

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As an ask pointed out back when we were talking about Boldir, we might expect circles to pop up in relation to Lords as well as spirals, and indeed circles pop up with Karako in several ways. His symbol contains a circle, and the dog tag his symbol is printed on is a gold circle itself. @wakraya also pointed out the cans can be seen as Tallcircles which seems like a stretch but still, worth noting.

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But the most interesting circle in the Sim is definitely the Carousel.
What we’ve got here is a circle, a wheel, that spins endlessly, always
pulling the horses that exist within it around and around. They’re bound
to the wheel, stuck in it.

Much like everyone who exists in the circle of LE’s causality.
I think this has its roots in LE’s nature as a Demiurge, and so a direct
offspring of “Abraxas”, the abstract God that we could see as Paradox
Space itself.

Abraxas is always depicted with twin snakes  pulling in different directions, and in this notable depiction, the snakes themselves are pulling/guiding horses along.

To me, this evokes Caliborn and Calliope exerting their twin influences on the narrative, with the horses representing individuals living under their influence.

Whether it’s a psychic projection of Karako’s or some kind of afterlife (and we’ll come back to that question soon), the Carousel seems like a pretty succint presentation of the Mirthful Messiah’s entire Lord English-centric religion.

We’ve got the conflicting tragic/comic masks, Gamzee raising Caliborn
(red sun, green background) and Callie (green sun, red background), and
of course a wheel/circle that many horses are bound to.

Its interesting to note that this makes it pretty clear that the Mirthful Messiah was a seperate and distinct figure from Callie and Caliborn in the cult’s doctrine–it is specifically Gamzee, not the cherubs or LE’s later incarnations.

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Of course, Callie isn’t really being worshipped here–the carousel is an altar to  LE, not Abraxas.

Yaldabaoth was real big

on being known as the “one true god”, and being himself unaware of the
higher orders of God who created him. It’s unsurprising that his cult
would be lacking that higher-order imagery, and would place its highest
emphasis on the symbol of LE’s looping dominion.

The Dream version of the Dark Carnival that Meenah and (Vriska) visit in the dreambubbles is empty and lacks the historical frills describing Gamzee and Callie, but the religion’s most important symbol, the Circle/Carousel, remains. That’s the most prominent recurring memory.

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(Aside: This might answer why horses are so ironic–horses bound/stuck to a wheel are a prominent symbol of LE’s dominance, and free horses running as they please are a suitable undermining of his symbolism.)

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(Aside x2 combob: Akio Ohtori from Revolutionary Girl Utena is a Yaldabaoth figure quite similar to Caliborn, and his power/dominion too ends up being depicted through carousels. Chalk it up to shared gnostic symbolism I guess, but still, odd coincidence.)

Back to Karako.

Its worth noting that coming into conflict with highbloods/high
class members of troll society was one of the few things we were
expecting  from Karako-it fits the motif of his Joker Card–oh yeah, a
bunch of the purplebloods in Hiveswap seem to match Joker Cards from the
ICP’s albums in their designs:

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The first Joker’s Card, Carnival of Carnage (1992), is a representation of the ghetto and the violence that occurs within.

It takes the form of a traveling carnival which doles out the same
brutality on those who have ignored the inner cities’ cries for help
. The Card issues a warning against the upper-class and government’s negligence toward the lower classes.”

So yeah. That line of inquiry seems to be checking out so far. Really there’s a bunch of parallels between Juggalore and the Mirthful Messiah cult/LE in general, but I happen to know someone else is working on that, so I’ll leave it there for now.

Now to what is to me, the most interesting part: the vision of the carousel itself.

There are two possibilities here, I think:

1) This is a psychic projection Karako’s putting out in his dying moments. Its a quick vision meant to provide some small moments of comfort before they die.

2) I think more likely, we’re getting a glimpse into how death works in Paradox Space, absent dreambubbles. It seems likely to me that this is a dark carnival afterlife created by the collective unconscious of Alternia and, specifically, it’s fervent cult of Mirthful Messiahs.

Karako was led to it because he’s part of the group that collective consciousness recognizes–ie: it’s likely a burgundy would be rejected as one who doesn’t belong, or led somewhere different in Alternia’s collective consciousness. The MSPA Reader was recognized because Karako recognized them, specifically, and was able to extend his afterlife’s promise to his friend.

Either way, we have no way to know and there’s more interesting questions.
I’m struck by the fact that considering this is a promised afterlife of spiritual fulfillment, the vision we see is distinctly non-spiritual--in fact, it’s deliberately artificial.

There are angels, but they’re mannequin props strung up by string. There are happy inhabitants, but they are also mannequins made of wood. It’s like a theatrical parody of an afterlife, depicting the physical presence of holy attendants and subjects, but not the spiritual/magical influence that makes them true.

Basically, it’s a very Rage-y afterlife–it’s theatrical, it’s artificial, and above all it’s physical, not spiritual or magical. It all reminds me very much of the concept of “Maya” from various Indian philosophies–including Hinduism, from which we got the name “Makara” for Gamzee.

How Maya is treated by different cultures varies, but the basic gist is of

a magical power of illusions, of creating real, physical/material things that don’t actually reflect spiritual reality. To quote wikipeds:

Māyā connotes a “magic show, an illusion where things appear to be present but are not what they seem”.


Māyā is also a spiritual concept connoting “that which exists, but is
constantly changing
and thus is spiritually unreal”, and the “power or
the principle that conceals the true character of spiritual reality”.

The thing is that according to this framework, basically all of physical existence, or at least quite a lot of it, is ultimately Maya and thus illusionary. Physical existence is might or might not be “real”, but it is constantly changing, and so does not reflect spiritual, eternal truth.

Māyā is the empirical reality that entangles consciousness. Māyā has the
power to create a bondage to the empirical world, preventing the
unveiling of the true, unitary Self—the Cosmic Spirit also known as
Brahman.

I’ve suspected for a long time that at its core, the nature of Chucklevoodoo/Rage powers stem from an ability to manipulate the experience of Maya.

Chucklevoodos employ illusions that are physically real (the Jack Noir doll in John’s room, or Dave’s dream copy of Lil Cal), and inspire people to be afraid/paranoid/angry–binding them to their physical experiences of the world.

Enlightenment in these Maya-centric frameworks generally means becoming one with these eternal principles of spiritual truth, and thus moving away from Maya/physical reality and the fear/confusion it produces.

So here’s the thing: That’s pretty much exactly what the MSPA Reader begins to experience after Karako is killed.

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They come into awareness of the fact that everything they’ve been experiencing on Alternia, everything about Paradox Space, is kind of profoundly unreal.

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Which it is! Because its just a story being told to us, the players. They seem to become very aware of this unreal/illusionary nature to their own existence and that of the world of the Friendsim.

And instead of continuing to treat it as real/something to be afraid of, the Reader chooses to stand up for moral virtues, generate them into the world themselves.

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And as they move on from the illusionary world of Alternia, they’re rewarded by becoming aware of an eternal, universal, spiritual truth:

Friendship.

Of course, the MSPA Reader is still on their path. If they’re going to keep up this metatextual evolution and eventually reach enlightenment, coming to understand the true nature of their own existence, then there’s a lot more to learn. (Here’s hoping Lanque will teach them (and us) something about Astrology, Alchemy, and Aspects.)

What I’m wondering is, how much longer before they start becoming aware of the part of their reality that is well and truly outside of the visible realm? How much longer before the MSPA Reader becomes aware of us?

hey, ive read your theory on boldir and you didnt mention whats the most intriguing line to me – “God, why are you such a fucking waste of space? You could have been gaining some life skills […]”. not only was hussies presumed classpect mentioned, but also the aspect of life. what does this mean? does it tell us anything about the reader? im super interested in your thoughts about it. (-elsterbae from HSA)

i think its a tongue in cheek joke reference but i dont yet have reason to suspect that a “waste of space” is something to take too seriously in a plot impact sense. If I have a guess for the mspa readers classpect its probably thief of blood but i am in nooo way convinced about that yet

https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/506693379/stream?client_id=N2eHz8D7GtXSl6fTtcGHdSJiS74xqOUI?plead=please-dont-download-this-or-our-lawyers-wont-let-us-host-audio

jamesroachmusic:

“imagine, if you will, a situation wherein i wrote the bulk of this song at 4 am and then woke up only to discover the monstrosity i had created in my fleeting hubris”

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i wrote this to have a really 90s sitcom vibe. you know, one of those melodies that don’t really make any sense. you ever notice how vocal songs only have like 3 or 4 notes in the melody. anyway i also had to write lyrics. have you you ever tried to write a sitcom theme that incorporates harspichord? yikes. i love it when theme songs to sitcoms just outline the premise of the show so… i guess i don’t have a great excuse i was just extremely drunk. its literally the chords to the theme song to “Family Matters” you know the show with Steve Urkel who is played by jaleel white who also voiced sonic the hedgehog.

anyway the lyrics that i definitely wrote at 6 this morning are:

its the 90s
and this is a show
about a female troll

she might have kids
or maybe a dog
the premise isnt clear

i like it when
songs just tell you
(what the shows about)

she practices the law
she wears a pink coat
and probly does some other shit too

this is the theme
to “Family Matters”
which I guess came out in the 80s

i checked
1989
but it ran until ’ 98

oh cool
i finished the song

Musing ‘bout Boldir

So, wow. Looks like shit got real all of a sudden, huh? We suddenly understand jack shit.

This is what keeps me in Homestuck, god I love this stuff. Let’s talk bout Boldir a little bit–needless to say, spoilers for her path under the cut.

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First things first: Yeah, I have no idea who this is, either. I suspect it might be Boldir herself, given that she suggests she has some knowledge of what happens when someone dies. “You’ll sleep when you’re dead”, “If only”.

The only other party who seems likely to have this kind of metatextual awareness is Doc Scratch, but this doesn’t really feel like him to me.
It could also be the MSPA Player themselves, I suppose?
We’ll see.

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Onto Boldir! I agree with @banavalope​‘s opinion that she’s a Muse, and seeing someone else came to that conclusion independent of me and the crowd talking on my Discord made me feel that much more certain. But since I feel I have some stuff to add here, let me run through the evidence I’ve compiled for this view.

There are a couple of lines in her text that seem to echo Calliope; she speaks in a “stage whisper”, for starters, and whenever Stages and Theater references come up, they seem to feel associated with Caliborn, Calliope, or the Rage aspect via Gamzee.

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Paradox Space itself is a Stage, and both Calliope and Caliborn find microcosms of that stage on their journeys, using it to tell and define parts of Homestuck.

From her Stage, Calliope invites Jane and Jade to tell us the story of John claiming ownership of his absolute power over Homestuck’s reality. From his Stage, Caliborn tells us the story of how John used that power to unintentionally make Caliborn’s wish to become Lord English come true.

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Boldir’s also described as possessing “Serenity”, relative other trolls. That immediately reminded me of the firefly named Serenity that’s closely linked to Calliope in Homestuck–Calliope assumes her form directly when leading Roxy to her dream spiral, where she gives some of the most important exposition in all of Homestuck.

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This section of text also reminded me heavily of the Childlike Empress from The Neverending Story, the uber-Passive ruler of the realm of Fantastica, who was described as reflective and somewhat unreadable/incomprehensible in the book.

To be fair, this has as much to do with Boldir’s nature as a Heart player as anything else–it’s very evocative of Dirk’s unreadable stoicism. But still, Boldir’s unreadable “essence” paints her as something like a mirror of the world around her–the garden, the sky, all of it. And that reminds me very much of Calliope, who was herself a mirror of her environment.

Alt!Calliope grows stoic and straightforward when surrounded by nothing but absence and purpose, and Alpha Calliope’s personality and nature is defined by her experience with Homestuck.

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Both Callies, however, had a deep intrinsic understanding of the macrocosmic, metaphysical principles on which Paradox Space operates-and Boldir has that in spades.

She seems to have a sense of what happens after death, she’s  aware that “Fate” is a force being created by particular forces in Homestuck/Hiveswap, and that the MSPA Player has more leeway in the river of those powers than most.
This makes her a unique sort of threat to Lord English and Doc Scratch, who rule over fate on Alternia.

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Like Calliope did for the Alpha kids, Boldir uses this awareness to at least partly clue the MSPA Player into their own role, pulling them towards some important part they must play.
What that’ll mean, we’ll find out later, but she’s told us some very interesting things.

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1. The Friendsims are taking place within the context of a Paradox.
This
is important, because it means there’s at least one stable time loop
defining the narrative, just like there was in Homestuck.

That means the entire story exists diegetically, under temporal constrainment–we see
the events that we see because they’re the events that fulfill this time
loop. Much like in Homestuck, events that conflict with this loop probably cause doomed timelines due to the paradox failing to fulfill itself.

And if that’s true of the Friendsims, its also true of
Hiveswap. I already had reason to suspect this was true, but it’s nice
to see someone in the actual story talk about it.

This suggests that the MSPA Player, and by association Joey and our other heroes, are parts of an event of cosmic importance that must come to pass in order for them to ever have existed.

The importance of the plots of Hiveswap and apparently even the Hiveswap:Friendsim are similar in nature to that of Homestuck, which was necessary in order to create the world that these stories take place in.

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2. Paradoxes are inherently irrelevant. This is honestly Boldir’s most interesting line to me, because Paradoxes define everything about Homestuck–but particularly, everything about Lord English and time travel. To say they’re irrelevant is to link them to Void by nature, isn’t it?

I’m honestly not entirely sure what the implications of that are, and if I were to ramble about it this would turn into a totally different essay, so I’ll talk about it later, but this is a very profound statement to make about the nature of reality in Paradox Space. I’m about to vibrate so hard my molecules come apart you guys.

For now, just ponder the question: Paradoxes defined literally the entire plot of Homestuck. If they aren’t relevant, then what is?

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That said, also like Calliope, despite her immense and intimate wisdom with regards to the nature of reality, her understanding of its scope is such that she seems inclined to see herself as unimportant and irrelevant in the face of it.

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I’m not sure I agree with Bana that she dabbles in every Class (though it does strike me as possible), but she certainly seems quite adept at playing a Rogue.

There’s a lot of Outlaw motifs surrounding Boldir; she lives outside, under a tree, she’s competent at Stealing and committing crime, and she’s pretty much as outside of the social order as you can get on Alternia without being a seadweller.

I’d expect Rogue roleplay from an Oliveblood, since I suspect that as a
Caste they’re mostly ignored by society, rendering them inclined to act
like Outlaws–and indeed, I’d say Polypa and Konyll both have shades of
it.

But in Boldir’s case that role is neatly compartmentalized–its clearly something she can psychologically put on and take off, not the core of her identity. A hat she wears, so to speak.

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This line has a lot of people claiming Boldir’s got shades of Void. I’m not entirely sure that’s what’s going on, but I’ll readily admit I’m not sure what is. I suspect there’s something to uncover here about the conceptual connections between the Heart and Void aspects, which Arrghus wrote some stuff about recently, and so I do think there’s a connection here.

But The MSPA Player cites Boldir exuding a “sneaky aura”, so I see this as the very Muse-like passive nature of Boldir’s identity/heart/soul influencing the world around Boldir, in like with her current intent to stay outside of society’s sight, as the role of the Outlaw implies. Again, it reminds me of the Childlike Empress, and how nobody in Fantastica would think to hurt her.

Of course, somebody does hurt Boldir, and when she dies it seems to change or shift the world in some way. Again, Childlike Empress vibes–Fantastica literally relies on the Empress’ existence. If she dies, the world of Fantastica goes with her.

Now this whole time I’ve been sidestepping the most direct connection to Calliope, which is Boldir’s relationship to the Spiral. It’s fascinating, to be sure, but most of what there is to say about the connection has been said already, I think.

That said, a couple of people on the Discord–@wakraya, @gay4monsters and @grippingtraverse astutely realized two things:

1. If there’s a Muse character among our ranks, there may well be a Lord to match. Caliborn was linked to his own spiral, so we may assume such a link between Spirals and our hypothetical Lordling as well.

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2. The spiral is represented in Boldir’s sign itself.

Meaning if there is a Lord, we might be able to find such a spiral in their sign, as well.

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3. There’s a Purple Sign that seems to match this criteria–Capricen has a spiral in it’s design, which curls opposite to Lelo even. One sign is Prospit–matching Calliope. One sign is Derse–matching Caliborn.

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So if there’s any merit to this stuff, Capricen just rocketed to the top of the charts as far as my guesses for the True Sign of the mysterious Marvus Xoloto.

I’d already kind of suspected Marvus might at least roleplay a Lord, by virtue of his role as circusmaster. Caliborn is described as a ringleader to his own dark carnival, and if Marvus “runs the shitshow”, its only in Lord English’s shadow, since he’s the one who truly runs the show, after all.

We’ve also got a theater reference in his Troll Call, to Shakespeare’s “A Midsummer Night’s Dream”. To be fair, Marvus is a Purpleblood, and so has a certain connection to Rage and thus Theater, so this might not be indicative of Lordship. And Blood might be represented by the line “texting your sister”, since it’s the Aspect of relationships and social connections.

There’s not much else to connect Marvus to Blood, but it’s worth noting it would make a lot of sense for a hypothetical Lord character in Hiveswap to command the story to his whims through Blood.

Trizza and Dammek are both Bloodbound, and if one wanted to pull all the strings in this story, having power over both of them would be a good way to get there. Alternia’s a pretty damn Blood-heavy society in general, what with all the Suffering and social constrictions and interest in romantic entanglements.

All of which is to say, if this is true, Marvus would be quite fearsome indeed.

That’s all I’ve got for now, but damn, am I excited.
Lemme know what you all think!

Til next time,

Keep rising.

[Final Notes that didn’t fit in anywhere else: Boldir’s the only troll we’ve ever seen wear
white and without her identifying symbol at all–other than maybe  Doc
Scratch.

Ardata and Marvus hide their signs, but they’re also higher on the social ladder, so its an interesting bit of her design. Wonder how important that’ll turn out to be.]

traceexcalibur:

It is my great pleasure to inform you that Hiveswap Friendship Simulator, Volume Twelve: Of Know-Nothings And Know-It-Alls, will be launching on Friday, September the 14th, 2018

This volume of the Hiveswap Friendship Simulator will feature two entirely new trolls for the befriending: Galekh Xigisi and Tirona Kasund².

We hope you join us tomorrow³

for the newest⁴

adventure in the Hiveswap Friendship Simulator series!

1. Exact time to be determined. Midday in the pacific time zone, most likely.

2. Written by yours truly!¹

3. Or today, depending on your time zone.

4. Note the phrasing “newest” and not “final”. For some reason, rumours suggesting such have been swirling around. Don’t worry, there’s still more.

          1. I didn’t create her quirk. Don’t yell at me.

Yesssssss 😀

o-oh

I just realized what Elwurd wants is a jadeblood girl who’ll “go bad” and “be mean to her” and Lynera actually is motivated to lock her up in a dungeon and be really mean to her. and Elwurd would. totally be into it.

Well that’s interesting. Wonder if that’s a ship yet.

its so fitting that the friendsim alleged to delve into canonical troll biology stuff is the one that ended up cursed, tbh

anywayi probably wont play friendsim 11 until Monday, but rest assured I can’t wait til then. Mallek and Lynera already look great from what ive seen

https://www.patreon.com/optimisticDuelist

I wanted to talk about at least some of the Friendsim trolls, so for now here’s a look at my favorites: Folykl and Kuprum. I’m really only hazarding guesses as to what their Classes might be, but this feels like a good match considering what we see in Homestuck.

Linked below are also some longer articles I’ve written about Knights, Witches, and some other stuff you might like to check up on.

PS: I decided to forego censors on this episode since it would be pretty hard to convey Folykl and Kuprum’s personalities while blocking out every other word they say.

Knights & Witches:

https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/fo…
https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/fo…

Jade Harley & Davepeta:
https://medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/wi…

BGM: “tfw another james roach track”, by James Roach:
https://soundcloud.com/jamesroachmusi…

Buy James a coffee if you like the song! https://ko-fi.com/A3222BCR