EXTREME LIVE-ACTION ROLEPLAY: Terezi, Xefros, and the mythology of Knighthood

Not enough of the fandom is interested in how Classpects may play into Hiveswap, I think. We’ve gotten lots of hints at the player’s potential Classpects, but there’s a lot of skepticism as to whether Classpects will even show up at all, given that the game doesn’t center around Sburb.

I’m here to argue that they’ll definitely feature in some way. And luckily for all of us, whether or not I’m right here will be incredibly easy to prove!

Our case study will be Xefros Tritoh. But before I explain how we’ll scrutinize Xefros to determine whether or not I’m full of shit, I’ll need to talk about three things:

1) Knights 

2) Terezi

3) Roleplay.


Extreme Live-Action Roleplay

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When I say “Roleplay”, I am referring specifically to the system I advanced in my series on Classes. But my description of it was scattered and focused, so here’s a quick wrap-up:

In Homestuck, when characters are particularly inspired by or moved to imitate rolemodels, that tends to show up in their mechanical behavior as Heroes. What’s more, such acts of imitation tend to come with references to the specific Mythological Archetypes that inform the Class of the Role-Model figure. 

The Troll Ancestors are essentially our introduction to this concept, and there is no clearer example than Vriska. For all of Act 5, Vriska strives to emulate Mindfang in all things–and at the same time, Vriska is consistently depicted and referenced as a Fairy. You can see one such reference above.

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As it turns out, Sylphs and Maids share the descriptor of Fairy.
Jane, Aranea, Aradia, Kanaya and Porrim are all referenced as Fairies in different ways, and share a number of visual references linking them to fairies. 

So Maids and Sylphs are fairies, according to the Class system. But Vriska is a Thief, and attempting to live out the role of one. One important factor in the Roleplay system is that Roleplaying this way is often misguided and unhealthy, and that players are typically at their happiest and most powerful when playing to their innate strengths. 

Compare Vriska’s attempts to make Tavros stronger to Aranea’s effort to do the same for Jake. Both end disastrously, but it’s hard to deny that Aranea had an easier time getting the job done. 

We’ll talk about Knights (and Pages, by association) in a bit, but for those of you curious, here are the Archetypes for the other classes that have them:

Lord & Muse – Conductors

Seer & Mage – Prophets

Heir & Witch – Magicians


Knights and Pages, contrary to popular opinion, are best described as the “Serve” class. 

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As Caliborn suggests when speaking to Jake, to “Serve” has multiple meanings in the context of Class powers. Two of them are relevant to Terezi. 

1.Shit son, you just got served.

-Urban Dictionary

The first thing Serve classes are prone to doing is Serving their enemies in brutal defeats. 

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The second–and nicely bringing us into a description of Neophyte Redglare, Terezi’s mythological idol–is the providing of Service. 

Knights are prone towards helping others and serving others’ needs through the use of their Aspects. In Redglare’s case, that means that everything she does is at the behest of the Highbloods–even if she doesn’t agree with their ideology. 

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But perhaps most interesting for our reading of Terezi isn’t anything Knights do through their powerrs, but a different quirk of the Class. One of the Archetypes for the Knight/Page pair is the historical image of the Warrior, including Warrior Caste’s historical tendency to subscribe to a code of honor. 

All the Knights we see in Homestuck adopt a code of honor of some sort, in that they hold themselves up to very high standards of behavior based on a persona they construct in their heads. 

For Dave, this is the image of the cool dude. For Karkat, it’s the ruthless leader. For Latula, it’s the R4D G1RL act.  

In all three of these cases, the Knights primarily use their personas to distance themselves from their emotions and force themselves into positions of responsibility, even if they’re uncomfortable with their own competence or don’t really want to carry out a particular duty. 

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Which is exactly what Terezi does when confronted with the need to kill Vriska!
Terezi buries her feelings about Vriska and decides that eliminating her is simply the professional way to resolve the problem–choosing to focus on performing her role as Redglare instead of thinking about her own feelings.

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Terezi’s Redglare roleplay, however, might even go farther than the three true Knights–since it even includes a literal code for how to act as a Warrior, that she uses to determine when killing was acceptable.
This code of honor is, of course, Terezi’s idea of JUST1C3. 

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And once Gamzee manipulates Terezi into fully embracing her Redglare persona, Terezi is visually cast as an echo of another Knight
[S] Seer: Ascend acting as an extended visual callback to Dave’s 
[S] Dave: Ascend to the Highest Point of the Building.
Seer: Ascend even starts off with Dave’s symbol!

And the end result of this roleplaying is, of course, as disastrous for Terezi’s being as Vriska’s Mindfang roleplay is for her.

Passing judgment on Vriska leaves Terezi doubt-riddled and self-loathing for years because her true inclinations as a Seer were not to try and go to war for the sake of Justice, but rather to pry, inquire, and discover the truth about Vriska’s nature and feelings. That roleplay misled Terezi from her desires and needs in this respect shows how much of an impact it has in the narrative. 

Hopefully this overview gave you an idea of the logic behind it, and if not hopefully looking at other examples I’ve written in the links above–such as
Rose as a Witch, Jane as an Heiress, or Dirk as a Knight
will illustrate further.

Now. Let’s get to Xefros. 


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Xefros is interesting here primarily because of his interest in Butlering.
The Butler is the second Archetype that informs Knights and Pages, and it covers the Service connotation as well, but it also includes
last definition of the Serve verb:

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To give. As a counterpoint to Thieves and Rogues–who Take–Knights have a tendency to give others their Aspect, or give others things through their Aspect. Much as a Butler offering a plate of food. Davesprite giving John a hammer with Time powers is a prime example. 

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And on top of being interested in one of the biggest symbols of a given Class in the comic, Xefros also comes with one free FLARP manual, it seems.
Flarp being the same book that marked the impact of Roleplay and Mythological Archetypes on Vriska and Terezi, this is relevant to me. 

So my premise is simple. If the Classpect system has any weight in Hiveswap, odds are very good we’ll see Xefros display similarities with Knights in some way. 

(I say Knights and not Pages because Pages seem to have a knack for inspiring those around them to do the serving, whereas Knights seem much more inclined to be serving others–and Xefros is definitely interested in doing the serving.)

But there is a catch here. 

Apparently, becoming a Butler is Xefros’ ambition.
But that seems a bit odd, considering he’s also a rebel fighter.

So the question is: Is Xefros a Knight, or is this interest in serving (presumably the elite of Alternia?) going to prove to be unhealthy for him? 
In other words: Is this an indication of Xefros’ true Classpect
Or is it a case of Roleplay?

I think it could go either way at this point. Of course, it’s also possible I’m reading into stuff too much and there’s nothing here but coincidences–in which case, Xefros will exhibit nothing particularly related to Knights or Pages or possibly any Classpect stuff at all. 

But to be honest, I doubt that. I am, however, very interested in testing this guess, and I hope you’ll all at least be interested in holding me up to scrutiny, too. 

That’s all for now. Feel free to drop by on r/Hiveswap’s reddit and Discord if you’d like to ask questions about this, or just jam about Classpects or other cool stuff in general.

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you: I hope dammek is confirmed to be davekat’s kid somehow!!!!

Me, an intellectual: IF the Hiveswap kids get to Earth C in the end then they’ll be minors left adrift without parents and upon learning xefros and dammek are from Alternia Karkat will absolutely, without question, adopt them

Do you think the ancestors and dancestors have the same classpects?

Like, Aranea and Mindfang sharing classpects?

Yes. In fact I think them sharing them is canon, easy to prove in the story, and central to understanding the impact that Ancestors have on players. EXTREME ROLEPLAY of the kind we’re introduced to with FLARP actually has a lot more weight in the story than the fandom has thought up until now, I feel.

I’m actually writing a post sort of about that right now, since it suggests some things about Xefros’ potential Class. I’ve been writing about this for a while but it’s been sort of hard to get people interested? But it’s really important and adds a lot of richness to the characters imo. 

dukeofriven:

revolutionaryduelist:

hypeswap:

hypeswap:

sorry everyone who was still really hoping that grandpa harley was a decent father

like jake? what the fuck

it’s SO gratifying to see this come into focus now. hopefully the fandom will like actually look at Grandpa’s behavior in Homestuck and parse it as something other than a joke??

NONE OF THE ALPHAS ARE HEALTHY ALONE, THEY FIND THEIR BEST SELVES  THROUGH THEIR FRIENDSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER THATS THEIR STORY!!! PLS…

Please tag your Hiveswap posts so those of us trying to stay as unspoiled as possible can do our best.

oh shoot! I’m so sorry, will do from now on. 

I’ll tag all Hiveswap posts from now on as #Hiveswap spoilers and #Hiveswap, sorry about that!

weirdmageddon:

sometipsygnostalgic:

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*susan strong scream* ROXY!!

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shes ok but you may want to lay off the beverages

fyi this is roses mom in the b1 universe, not b2 roxy (shes in another universe 428 years in the future)

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wow unwarranted sadstuck thanks hiveswap team i totally forgot she had nobody to raise her, she was just dropped to earth on a meteor in the late 70s-early 80s. which explains why she and bro were not good role models to kids but at least mom lalonde wasnt influenced by a satantic puppet

it’s also possible GRANDPA raised her, at least part of the way and apparently indirectly because he hires her as a babysitter and keeps her close instead of adopting here. 

but if so–well. we’re certainly getting a sharper look at how Grandpa is a flawed guardian/role-model, too, aren’t we?

It’s nice to have the canon finally focus on this stuff, i dig it 

jakemorph:

i honestly think fears of hiveswap “going down the undertale path” are really unwarranted?

like people are worried about it being played by some “embarassing” youtuber or a youtuber with an embarassing fanbase and it becoming a thing so popular that the sheer masses of embarassing fans “ruin” the experience for everyone else

but in all honesty if that happened?? all i could say is???? good??????

hiveswap is a project that’s been through so much hardship that a huge fanbase of the type that undertale had would be the best possible thing that could happen to it? the game needs that kind of support. what pumpkin needs that kind of support to continue making the content we all know we’d like to see

and people are out here acting like embarassing fans and content are like the worst possible thing that could happen to the homestuck fandom. fucking newsflash, dudes. homestuck was born from a culture of shit we all like to look back upon as cringeworthy these days. that shit passed and we ended up with the community we love today. we’re seein a mostly similar thing happen with the undertale fandom on tumblr.

we get it. you don’t want kids having fun with your content. fact is, most of us were kids when we first started having fun with this content. get off your high horses and quit whining. hope for the best!!!! god

guys i’m seeing some wondering whether Hiveswap will expand on Homestuck’s background “lore” directly so i gotta bring this up again:

jakemorph:

revolutionaryduelist:

yes. the answer’s yes. Hiveswap has in fact already done this in the trailers. 

I am talking, of course, about the sexy horse statue outside Grandpa’s manor.
Some people immediately pointed to this as a random meta nod to Equius, which is really disappointing to me because there’s actually fleshed out canon lore behind it, which is so much more hilarious. 

“Jade’s parental unit, as the Pattern Breaking parental unit, has a much larger variety of strange, off putting interests.  Dad has FANCIFUL HARLEQUINS, Mom has EXSQUISITE WIZARDS, and Bro has RADICAL PUPPETS.  Grandpa has not one, but FOUR such interests, of the same descriptive two word format.  They’re all just as dumb though.  One reason among several for this was to create an element of uncertainty over what kind of item Jade would prototype with .  And by uncertainty, I mean misdirection, which is what I always mean by uncertainty.

Notice the colors of the lights in each room.  Orange, pink, and cyan, corresponding with Dirk, Roxy, and Jane.  The items have a loose correlation with the other three guardians too.  Knights in that Dirk is a skilled swordsman.  Roxy’s land is full of pyramids, Jane was grandpa’s long estranged blue lady.  You see how the gears are always turning.  Not only does everything mean something.  It turns out everything means EVERYTHING.  Now you know.”

–Andrew Hussie, Homestuck Book 3 Commentary

Hussie has confirmed that Grandpa’s INTERESTS reflect the Alphas. 

Which means that if you use occam’s razor Grandpa’s interest in HORSES–

most reasonably has to do not with some random callout to a troll Jake never met and doesn’t care about, but with his memories of Dirk. 

who is. you know.  all about horses and muscley horse dudes. So yeah, Grandpa–and by association Jake–have been deliberately fleshed out further by the narrative, with the wrinkle that, given time, Grandpa took on Dirk’s interest in horses. 

And he’s not even the version of Jake that dated Dirk, so…yeah. Whatever you think of their relationship, it’s a pretty powerful and funny look at their friendship.

Anyway Hiveswap is good. I’m excited.

I don’t feel like that’s what Occam’s Razor would cut it down to in this case, though. By putting the muscley horse statue by itself, it’s being removed of some context – it’s also in the same yard as this;

– and on the same property as a mansion that’s full of antler and antlered animal motifs. Sure, by itself, the muscley horse couldn’t just be a reference to an Alternian animal; but when obvious references to other Alternian creatures (Xefros and Dammek’s lusii, specifically in this case) crop up in the vicinity, it becomes a lot less unlikely.

Considering that the premise of the game is that Grandpa Harley had a portal to another world in his attic at one point, and taking into account Grandpa’s known penchant for taking trophies to Earth from other worlds (there’s a lich skull in the trailer too, so signs of his extradimensional travels are all there;)

– I think it becomes considerably more likely that, at least in terms of the muscle horse statue, Grandpa did take the motif from an established icon of Alternian Highblood culture.

(of course, I do agree that to say the statue refers to Equius specifically is being a bit short-sighted)

Huh, thanks! I hadn’t seen the argument for the Alternian influence before, and now I’m inclined to buy it.

That said, I think we’re looking at a case where both options are true. Your own response removed a bit of context from my post, too. 

I emphasized that Grandpa’s interest included not just Musclebeasts, but horses in general–of which there are several in his manor. Some dolls that could be Joey’s, yeah, but also really expensive paintings and dignified looking statuettes and stuff that are way more in the price range of an adult man. 

Like, the crucial thing here is that whether Grandpa remembers Dirk to some extent isn’t in question. It’s confirmed enough to influence his interests, so there’s no real reason to discredit Dirk’s influence here where they overlap so strongly.

horses in general are way more a specifically Dirk thing than a broad Alternian interest. It’s arguably a thing for Equius but I only really remember him mentioning musclebeasts. 

Dirk’s interest in horses is pretty sincere and not necessarily fetishistic by comparison, which is more like what we’re seeing with grandpa. this kind of just means that the alternia stuff is as well-considered as the Alphas stuff which just makes me more excited, personally? thanks :B