dingodad:

blood caste is NOT the alternian equivalent of race… even if we ignore that canonically alternians DO have an equivalent of race (land and sea dwellers are referred to as the “two races”), every blood caste has its own COMPLETELY UNIQUE internal traits that make them better at one thing or better at another thing, which is nothing like what ethnicity is, unless you’re literally using a definition of race from like, the 17th bloody century, mate

racism is racism. caste is caste. if the hemospectrum was a racialist institution, equius would hate gamzee just as much as he hates lowbloods. but he doesn’t, because the castes represent pseudo-xeno-feudalist classes (and are referred to as classes many times in the comic and suplementary material!). racists don’t see race as a spectrum; the closest thing would be the spanish-european caste system introduced in the americas post-colonisation, and even that brings up an important point; you can be of mixed ethnicity, but you can’t be of mixed caste. because castes aren’t malleable, arbitrary distinctions like ethnic groups are; they are strictly enforced social classes.

also: castes exist in real life. for starters, the troll “castes” are probably named after “castes” in ant colonies: physically differentiated forms of ant who all have specific roles to play in a colony, just like troll castes in the alternian empire. and ant castes aren’t anything like “the ant equivalent of ethnicities”; they’re actually more like genders. so if you wanted to directly translate the troll blood castes to a near-western near-human setting, you’d more likely be dealing with 12 genders than 12 ethnic groups.

if you really need a direct human analogue to caste, you’re in luck and still don’t need to use ethnicity because there are human societies with caste systems that don’t depend on ethnic segregation. take the caste system of the Ethiopian Amhara people, for example;

The […] caste system consisted of: (1) endogamy, (2) hierarchical status, (3) restraints on commensality, (4) pollution concepts, (5) each caste has had a traditional occupation, and (6) inherited caste membership.

so there you go. didn’t mean to turn this into a whole arse essay but reading the alternian castes as a form of alien racial segregation not only lacks a whole lot of nuance but also just has a bunch of unfortunate implications. tune in next week

Hm. The “traditional, assigned roles” thing makes me feel way more confident in all the idea of the Castes all assigning some kind of Class behavior to its members, as well as the Aspect association. Interesting stuff, thank you!

roselalondetrash:

dumbbitche:

biggest most gay power moment in homestuck. the second at which homestuck threw its first brick at stonewall was when kanaya was head over heels for vriska who was painfully hetcrushing on a sad loser boy so when she got the sudden opportunity to saw off his legs she took it and said this

Kanaya was never “head over heels” for Vriska. Her feelings were always complex (she tried to protect others from her, being her moirail), and by this point she had been spurned enough times by her that, if you talk to Kanaya as Vriska in this flash, Kanaya literally doesn’t want to talk to her after a bit because of how uncaring Vriska is:

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It was pretty self-evident by this point that Vriska was fucking around with Tavros, and didn’t actually care for him, which is something Kanaya and Vriska literally talk about in this flash, too. 

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She sawed off Tavros’ legs to give him mechanical ones, which also happened weeks after this incident. Even the “impromputations” joke happens in a conversation with Karkat about not having any more “Impromptu Amputations”, since he fainted from seeing Kanaya amputate Tavros and only woke up hours later. They’re no evidence that she did it out of spite.

Hell, the idea that Kanaya did it to spite Tavros is a jab Vriska uses to get underneath Kanaya’s skin.

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VRISKA: That was some pretty sweet chainsaw work earlier. Pretty 8rutal, really! Didn’t think you had it in you.
VRISKA: Hey, you weren’t settling a score with him there 8y any chance?
KANAYA: What
VRISKA: I’ve got a pretty keen nose for revenge. Could it 8e that you had a thing for him and were upset when he went for me instead? Hmmmmmmmm?
KANAYA: Did He Really Go For You
KANAYA: Thats Not How I Remember It
VRISKA: Yes, I think I must 8e on to something here! Anyway if that’s the case, sorry a8out the 8ad 8r8k!
KANAYA: Could You Leave Me Alone

This part is about Vriska spiting Kanaya and Kanaya hating Vriska over hurting her friends and jilting her, not about Kanaya doing anything she can to be with Vriska.

Just to make my position clear, I’d say I disagree that Vriska was intentionally spiting Kanaya, and I think there’s a confused and misguided degree to which she cared about Tavros.  I think Vriska’s likely TRYING to genuinely reach out here, she’s just terrible at it because she can’t really escape her own self-absorption.

But otherwise, I totally agree. Kanaya is canonically friendly towards Tavros, and selling that dynamic short lessens the complexity of every character involved. Tavros is an abuse victim, but he’s not really a passive one. He resists Vriska’s pressure and abuse at every turn, early on, and pretty much his most effective skill at doing so is in getting his other friends to want to help him.

Like, remember when Kanaya threatened to dump toilet water on Vriska to get her to stop bullying Tavros, because Tavros asked her to? Fucking with Tavros comes with severe backlash for Vriska pretty often, because most of his friends genuinely care about him.

I love your roleplaying theories and definitely think that they are an interesting way to look at Homestuck and certain character’s behaviours. I was just wondering if they only roleplayed another’s Class or if there were some instances of Aspects being roleplayed, too?

I’m genuinely unsure. I think there’s a possibility Xefros is manifesting the Time Aspect (and Dammek the Breath Aspect), and it seems like Joey is manifesting both Light and Life.

So I think we’re starting to see what Calliope referred to when she said players could manifest powers “in defiance of their Aspect” if corrupted or resistant to their true calling.

We saw stuff like that in Homestuck sometimes, but it’s basically always been linked to the complementary Aspect, ie: Rose’s Voidy tendencies, Aradia’s Witch behavior leading to her merging with a symbol of Space through self-prototyping like Jade did (Bec for Jade, a Frog for Aradia), so on.

Until now, that’s generally been understood as Aspect “inversion”, but given what we’re seeing in Hiveswap, I think the system is likely more flexible on the Aspect end, too.

But I don’t know in what way yet. I think Aspect “Switching” happens almost always as a *result* of Roleplay done wrong, but I don’t know if the switching itself is Roleplay, or what rules determine what Aspect one “switches” to, or rather, adds.

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so I enjoy your videos alot. And I like classpecting. I used to do some classpecting blogs. And after seeing your videos, I feel inspired to make a classpect focused video series that focuses on individual classpects determined by something like a strawpoll. I don’t know why I felt the need to tell you. But maybe if I get motivated enough to go through with it (which is the hardest part) and I get to the Mage of Hope, you could be a guest? idk. just spitballin. do you think it’s a good idea?

I feel that the Homestuck fandom overall might benefit from a shift towards Youtube, in some ways, so it sounds awesome to me.
Like, I really can’t stress how big a shift I think it’d make.

If you’ve ever played Dark Souls or engaged with its youtube fandom, or for that matter if you’ve ever browsed a game wiki, then you might get why I feel this way.

Like Homestuck at the end game (and in many ways, throughout it’s run), Dark Souls has some extremely esoteric and vague storytelling tactics, and a lot is left for the player to deduce from cryptic clues and environmental storytelling.

The thing is, Tumblr makes this stuff VERY difficult to talk about! I get wordy and overly elaborate when I communicate through text (as you can see), and that lends itself to stuff that’s hard to read.

I think video is a more effective way to communicate this kind of analysis because it forces me to structure my arguments and prioritize brevity and clarity of conveyance.

And the clearer and more enjoyable I can make videos, the easier it is for new fans to take an interest in the comic’s lore and background, which I feel could easily be a huge part of Hiveswap’s appeal. It’s already received substantial exposure from lets players like jacksepticeye and stuff. And again, borrowing Dark Souls’ example:
People love deep enviromental storytelling and background lore stuff.

So I think more people deciding they love Homestuck enough to tell people about it on Youtube is a good thing. Let me know if there’s any way I can help if you do! And I have no idea if I’ll have the time to guest in anything, sorta having trouble keeping up as it is, but if we get the chance, that sounds really cool!

Hello! I read your theory on Roleplay in classpects, and I have to say that I love it and it is a great theory! Using that, as well as the imagery that you pointed out (black = passive, white = active) I want to raise a question about Knights being active as well. I know your arguments for them being passive, but I do not think that this was brought up before. I was rewatching some flashes due to nostalgia, and in [S]Flip and [S]Attempt rare and highly dangerous 5x SHOWDOWN COMBO, (12)

Terezi and Karkat, one of which could have been roleplaying a Knight, while the other was a Knight, were linked with the colour white – although in Flip it was only the glasses for Terezi (and wings for Vriska). What are your thoughts on that? (22)

Thanks for the ask! And for the insight. This might well be a solid point in favor of reading Knights as Active.

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I honestly don’t know if this scene is meant to convey this kind of Yin/Yang stuff, tbh? That said, Vriska’s roleplaying a Sylph, which is one of the most passive classes. So this wouldn’t match the imagery either way.

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Karkat and Gamzee here might certainly back up the view, though.
Karkat’s in white, clear as day.

I should mention Karkat and Gamzee here would probably still check out, either way. Bard is one of the most passive classes, and Karkat is the one about to take action here–he’s simply more Active than Gamzee is, at the present moment.

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And in the very next shot, the colors invert. And this isn’t the only time just the signs are used to denote Active/Passive status, I don’t think?

So things seem a little muddled to me right now. I suppose I should tip my hand a bit and say that, if I seem hard-headed in talking about how nuanced this is, it’s only because I’m weighing this section of Karkat’s arc with literal word of god in mind.

I’m talking about this bit of a post on Active/Passive dynamics Hussie posted on Tumblr, back in the Good Old Days oh god i’ve been in this fandom so long…:

Being from Derse means you are from a culture of offense and aggression. Being from Prospit means the opposite. [..]

[…] Or maybe sometimes they are tendencies that are resisted, and need to be understood and embraced. As a Prospit dreamer, did Karkat struggle because he was actually passive in nature, but had a very active self image as a leader and conqueror?

Was Vriska an even more extreme case of misplaced active behavior from a Prospit dreamer? These are yet more things to consider when looking at everything contributing to the hero story of an individual in this game.

So there’s that. Karkat and Dave certainly echo Rose’s arc of starting off miserable and quite Active, and slowly growing happier as they adopt more passive roles. So I’m not sure what to think here, but I have to admit, I’m genuinely swayed.

If anyone has thoughts, I’m all ears.

hello! first of all i want to tell u i really enjoy reading ur metas and analysis, i think its amazing how u contextualize some things and the entire story suddenly makes So Much sense. second, ive been wondering about hope and rage – im not sure i can word myself correctly, but hope is like an aspect that has ppl firmly believing in an ideal or belief. rage is its opposite, but both canon rage players (im not counting xefros bc were not sure about him yet – but im pretty sold on the (1/2)

stormsbourne:

revolutionaryduelist:

page of rage idea!) seem like avid followers of their own faith/religion/cult. in the true zodiac test, the questions that seemed to relate to hope and rage seemed to put them in a clear dichotomy as well – so ive just been meaning to ask u what do u think about this?? is the dichotomy about something other than faith/doubt?? (2/2)

The main thing is that the Rage players’ religion doesn’t actually require faith, at all, because it’s simply true. The Mirthful Messiahs worship Lord English/Caliborn, and, well…he exists. He’s right in view of all the ghosts and stuff, blowing them to smithereens.

I think the dichotomy involves a lot more than faith/doubt (coherence vs. contrivance, for one thing). But as far as the Rage players’ religions go, I don’t see much of a conflict, currently.

from what the canon classpect test indicates, it’s not so much “faith vs. doubt” as it is “loving truths vs hating lies.” hope players have an intrinsic need to believe in something, and their power comes from that intent belief, whether it’s jake’s beliefs that he can save his friends (masterpiece) or that dirk can help him (game over timeline), or eridan’s belief in “white science” ultimately giving him his abilities. 

rage players, meanwhile, are hellbent on disproving lies and making sure everyone knows how full of shit they are. the most obvious canon for this is when gamzee loses his absolute shit about icp, because their version of juggalo-ing runs super counter to the truth he knows. it’s a gigantic lie and he fucking hates it. this is why caliborn/LE, through lil cal, is able to speak to him and influence him so readily: LE offers the absolute truth. he is already here. gamzee is already part of him. gamzee embraces that truth, but it’s not what gives him his power. what gives him his power is the hatred he has for what he sees as lies.

rage players, according to that test, bring doubt and confusion, but how that happens is because they are tearing down what the rest of the world may perceive as true because to them, it is flawed and not worth saving. both hope and rage involve commitment to an idea, but rage is about commitment to destroy what is false, and if doubt is sown along the way, the ends justify the means.

Yeah, I agree with this pretty much completely. Pretty useful nuance, too–I’d never verbalized the relationship between them quite this way. Thanks!