Tag: Homestuck

hello! first of all i want to tell u i really enjoy reading ur metas and analysis, i think its amazing how u contextualize some things and the entire story suddenly makes So Much sense. second, ive been wondering about hope and rage – im not sure i can word myself correctly, but hope is like an aspect that has ppl firmly believing in an ideal or belief. rage is its opposite, but both canon rage players (im not counting xefros bc were not sure about him yet – but im pretty sold on the (1/2)

page of rage idea!) seem like avid followers of their own faith/religion/cult. in the true zodiac test, the questions that seemed to relate to hope and rage seemed to put them in a clear dichotomy as well – so ive just been meaning to ask u what do u think about this?? is the dichotomy about something other than faith/doubt?? (2/2)

The main thing is that the Rage players’ religion doesn’t actually require faith, at all, because it’s simply true. The Mirthful Messiahs worship Lord English/Caliborn, and, well…he exists. He’s right in view of all the ghosts and stuff, blowing them to smithereens.

I think the dichotomy involves a lot more than faith/doubt (coherence vs. contrivance, for one thing). But as far as the Rage players’ religions go, I don’t see much of a conflict, currently.

Angels might as well be servants of LE, representing the worst of the Aspect of Hope – blind devotion and forsaking others in the name of one’s ideals – Eridan’s hinted to be influenced by them. Could they represent the cult of LE? And aren’t they blind, like LE himself? Eyes seem to be significant in Gnostic tradition. – With due respect, A

aspiringwatcher:

revolutionaryduelist:

You might be right–though Jake being able to summon them makes it kind of murky, its not like they were presented in a very nice light then, either. I honestly don’t feel I have the angels “Figured Out”, and I’m not even quite sure I’m supposed to.
Jake’s arc is, after all, rather incomplete–his big showdown with Caliborn in the Masterpiece is still ahead of him.

Maybe we’ll learn more about angels in the future, or, frankly more likely at this point, i’m missing some gnostic myth or other source that contextualizes them really well. Hard to say.

Jake didn’t summon a single Angel during the Masterpiece – only during pre – Game Over sequence, when he was forcefully enlightened by Aranea and wasn’t in control of his powers as a Player of Hope.

Sure, but he’s still able to summon them. And I’d say Jake’s summoning of the angels is, if anything, informed by his relationship to Abraxas, not anything related to Yaldabaoth.

So I don’t really feel like I can really make a call one way or another, just yet.

Angels might as well be servants of LE, representing the worst of the Aspect of Hope – blind devotion and forsaking others in the name of one’s ideals – Eridan’s hinted to be influenced by them. Could they represent the cult of LE? And aren’t they blind, like LE himself? Eyes seem to be significant in Gnostic tradition. – With due respect, A

You might be right–though Jake being able to summon them makes it kind of murky, its not like they were presented in a very nice light then, either. I honestly don’t feel I have the angels “Figured Out”, and I’m not even quite sure I’m supposed to.
Jake’s arc is, after all, rather incomplete–his big showdown with Caliborn in the Masterpiece is still ahead of him.

Maybe we’ll learn more about angels in the future, or, frankly more likely at this point, i’m missing some gnostic myth or other source that contextualizes them really well. Hard to say.

to the “light is plot” discussion– yeah, and light is what makes you keep reading vs void being the fact that you could stop reading and nothing would really change. also, aranea interacts with the plot by KNOWING BASICALLY EVERYTHING? like, “sylph of light” translates to “exposition character” guys! she repairs holes in the plot, that’s why she’s inclined to ramble on and on and tell everyone around her (including the audience) stories.

yupssss

So ive seen a few people talking about how light is possibly the aspect of stories, and how the light players in homestuck were somewhat aware that they were in a story, vriska through literally interacting with the author, rose through insistence that they follow character arcs in a few scenes (I’m not entirely sure how Aranea would fit into this theory though). Just wanted to get your opinion on the whole thing since I️t sounded interesting. Hope you have a nice day!

The more I think about it, the more I agree with Tex Talk’s description of the Aspects as each relating to an element in narrative construction.

It’s been traditionally accepted that Light is the Aspect of narrative revelance/importance. The “Spotlight”, if you will. Tex argues that all the Aspects represent different elements of a story.

Light is plot relevance, while Void is plot irrelevance. He hasn’t done videos on every Aspect yet, but he has covered Rage, which he describes as plot Contrivance.

So I’d say all Aspects are an aspect of stories, in that they all describe different  parts of narrative construction that make a story whole. 

So then it’s not so much that Light is the aspect of stories, but that the fact that Homestuck is a story is one of the most important things about it. Indeed, characters like Vriska and Jasprose come by the closest to acknowledging and interacting with the author.

hey duelist I think joey is a breath player not light and reason is joey has not have any good luck before going to Alternia but has gotten trapped or stuck and needed to be saved so maid of breath. That and joey is john half sister it will connect them that and i think is genetics also is a factor for aspects like some times they have the same aspect of there dad or mom or what mixing those aspects will make together or a random aspect.( game and time)

Hey, thanks for the message!

I’m not sure about this, to be honest. If Joey were a breath player, I’d expect to see more Breath-related descriptions and dialogue surrounding her. So far, there’s a lot of Light and Life, but I haven’t seen much Breath yet. Feel free @ me with stuff.

Besides which, sure Joey’s related to John, but by that measure she could just as likely be a Space player, like Jade. I actually wouldn’t be shocked, to be honest? It’d require some recontextualizing, but I could see arguments that Space imagery is already there, what with the green sun and all that.

Her parents are also Jake, a Hope player, and if my guess about A. Claire is right, then a version of Jane, so a Life player. Or A.Claire could be someone else entirely, at which point she could be any Aspect and might be influencing Joey in ways we don’t understand yet.

My point is, there’s room for Joey to be related to players of lots of different Aspects, so I’m not sure I’d use that as a way to tell for sure.

mad-maddie:

some people talk shit about homestuck but i vividly recall a lesbian turning into a vampire before chainsawing a dude in half and re-applying her lipstick with the stains of his blood also she and her god-girlfriend live and get married as endgame so frankly everyone can either back off or step up their game