look i am telling you, the ‘true’ sign thing is only in relation to us, the people taking the test, who know what they are and know what the ‘true’ zodiac is. within troll culture itself, i highly doubt that there is anything remotely special about any of them. for example, i HIGHLY doubt trolls consider cancer the ‘true’ sign for limebloods, considering how the sign came about way after limebloods were supposedly wiped out.

I don’t know that anyone’s arguing that troll society itself conciously considers those signs special, so I’m not sure why you’re addressing me as such.

But insofar as canon goes, those signs are already explicitly special, by virtue of the fact that their holders are the ones who all of Alternia exists to faciliate, so that they in turn can facilitate the existence of LE. Literally all of Alternian history already revolves around the 24 trolls who play Sburb–the beginning of the race, it’s evolution towards exploitative fascism, it’s eventual apocalypse–ALL of it traces back to the 24 trolls who play Sburb. Trying to tell me the signs associated with those trolls aren’t special is…kind of ridiculous?

Whether or not troll society is aware of that, or treats them with any special distinction, is beside the point. I’d guess they probably don’t! Why treat a Rustblood sign with any particular distinction if they’re all rubbish in the end, in Alternia’s eyes? Etc.

But the only thing Wak seems to be arguing for is an association between the Castes and the True Sign’s ASPECT, not the True Sign itself. And I feel that’s already demonstrably true, to some extent. 

All rustbloods have to think about their short lifespans and imminent deaths, and going by Xefros’ example, the sheer amount of time they’re expected to devote to intense service, too. All of that lends itself to a focus on thinking in terms of Time. All goldbloods have to think about the possibility of being conscripted to exploitative, sacrificial service if their psiionics are good enough. That lends itself to a cultural pattern of thinking about Doom. Olivebloods seem to be living in the wild, which would distance them from society and make them more aware of their Selves–and so, Heart.

So on and so forth. That dynamic is what I’m interested in, moreso than anything about the True Signs themselves. I currently regard them as indicators, not much else–the groundwork for this idea is all over troll lore, and that’s why it interests me. It’s possible we’re way off base here, but if so, I expect Act 2 will make that clear. Does that clear up my position for you, anon?

whatpumpkin:

Troll Call! Another two for one.

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xI love them!!!

I don’t have much to say about Folykl right now, other than cool design.

But Maxlol’s eye colors are pretty interesting. The two-color duality motif typically associated with Goldbloods is present with him, but to a much lesser extent than it is for Sollux or Mituna–he’s got the eye colors, but isn’t color coordinating his outfits or anything.

If Wakraya is correct, and Castes are linked to their respective True Sign’s Aspect, then we can read that as him being somewhat influenced by his Castes’ cultural connection to Doom. Which makes sense, since he’s apparently excited to become a living technology/sacrifice for the empire.

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And the colors of Maxlol’s eyes are themselves pretty interesting. His left eye reads as Hope yellow pretty easily, but more fascinatingly, his Right eye is the purple color associated with Rage–Hope’s complementary Aspect.

This means that while his psiionics reflect the duality motif usually associated with Doom, they also seem linked to his true Aspect, and the opposing force that balances it. Fascinating stuff! I’m excited to learn more about you, Maxlol :33

A thank you to all of you following so far, as well as an update on this channel. From now on, videos will go up on the 2nd and 4th Saturdays of every month, at 8 PM EST.

This begins this Saturday, with a reupload of our video on Classpects, this time as a two part series. Part 3–an expansion focused on six Class Archetypes (excluding that of Lord and Muse, the Conductor)–will be released on December 30th. 

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definitely-not-lordenglish:

hypeswap:

every maid and sylph in homestuck resurrected from a death that they should not have been able to revive from

aradia: dream self/god tier
kanaya: rainbow drinker
jane: dream self lifey thing
aranea: ring of life
porrim: rainbow drinker [i’m making an assumption about how she originally awakened her vampire powers, but i think it’s probable that she matches the pattern]

Huh…

@revolutionaryduelist

@creative-classpect

Just as interesting, all of them transform-usually as a result of that ressurection–into more ethereal or imaginary-coded sorts of beings. Porrim and Kanaya become vampires, Aradia becomes a spooky ghost, Aranea becomes a true immortal. 

Jane doesn’t transform as a result of her death (being a Life player gives her some more grounded but still very intense connotations, I feel), but she eventually becomes more ethereal and otherworldy when becoming a Trickster. 
This association with becoming imaginary/fantastical beings is p interesting, given that both classes are linked to fairies.

Seers and Mages also have links to impossible resurrections. Terezi, a Passive player, orchestrates the revival of Vriska. Sollux somehow skirts the edge of death by ending up a Half-Ghost. 

The focus here seems to be on miracles rather than solely ressurection–Rose performs a similarly impossible feat by guiding everyone through the Void–but the association with historical Prophets’ habit of reviving others/themselves is interesting, especially since it lacks the imaginary being/fairy connotation. 

homestuckexamination:

Role of the Giver – The Knight


Those born
with the Role of the Knight are devoted and reliable. Or at
least, they want to appear reliable to those they care about. Insecurities,
fears, doubts, they don’t tend to share them, even with their most trusted and
loved partners, unless they’re being pressed or in dire need to vent. Rather,
Knights have a tendency to mask their true feelings in order to showcase
themselves in a specific manner. They want to feel necessary, to know others
trust them to give advice and offer help, and will rush to the aid of those who
need it in a heartbeat, no matter the risk or how monumental the task, if they
are needed, they will answer the call. Knights dislike inaction and will seek
something to do, even in situations where it’s inadvisable to do so. As long
as, in the end, they feel as though they have contributed and been useful in
some way, as long as they managed to help others in some way, they will be
happy. At their best, they are nurturing and great friends, always there when
you need them the most. At their worst, they can be obsessive, reckless and
needy.

Knights may try to take charge of a situation, to try and live to the
expectations of responsibility and reliability they themselves created, which
doesn’t tend to end well for them. While not completely incapable of doing so,
they’re most effective supporting their team rather than leading it, following
the will of their Aspect, or aiding others through it. They cannot
be Lone Heroes, and can only shine with the support of others, and specially,
by supporting others. This tends to make Knights likeable and good to have
around, even those who aren’t specially fit for fighting are capable of
bringing ease with them. However, this need to aid others can be a heavy crux.
Regardless of the situation, Knights are quick to blame themselves for
mistakes, even if they themselves weren’t necessarily responsible. Furthermore,
this instinct to aid anyone in need of help can easily lead them to rush ahead
without thinking in the consequences, putting them in jeopardy.

Being one of the Giver Classes, Knights are the Passive counterpart to Pages,
and similar to them, their strengths lie in Serving. Providing,
Weaponizing, Using or Distributing their Aspect in some way, or coming to other
people’s Aid through the use of their Aspect. Knights are a versatile Class,
just as well suited to keep those they care about from harm, as they are to
Serve a crushing defeat to those who tried to harm them in the first place.
Resourceful, quick to act, God help whoever dares lay a single finger on those
a Knight is in service of, they will know no rest until they have ensured their
loved ones are safe.

homestuckexamination:

Role of the Giver – The Page


Those born
with the Role of the Page are a well of potential. Pages tend
to liken themselves to others or create an ideal persona in their minds, which
they then proceed to emulate and hide behind. Wishful, disconnected between
their inner world and how they present themselves, their nature radiates
innocence and kindness. They don’t take well to change, and would rather live
in a static lie than accept a truth that’d shift what they’re used to. A Page
may, however, be more aware and perceptive than they appear to be,
intentionally shutting themselves away beneath their fabricated persona, in an
attempt to lose accountability and tip-toe around unpleasant topics. Due to
this, they may come off as daydreamers, childish, and sometimes even outright
mean. And while they can definitely be rude, a well meaning Page is as charming
as can be. Striving for their ideals, working towards their own goals, they can
easily inspire others to want to spend time together, to help them out, to
achieve what they want. At their best, they are inspiring, easygoing, likeable
dreamers. At their worst, they can be manipulative, selfish and infuriating.

Pages have a long way to go if they desire to obtain mastery over their Aspect.
They are presented with one of the toughest challenges when it comes to
discovering their self worth and true potential. Their development is slow,
slower than that of the rest, and for this reason they need the help of others
to fully mature. With their inspiring personalities, rather than directly
making use of their Aspect, they tend to draw others to take control or aid
them through it, although they may also call upon their Aspect to shield
themselves from unpleasantness and hardship. Their strengths initially lie in
the bonds they build with people and how persuasive they can be, or at worst,
in how desperately and obviously they need help. But once matured, their drive,
power and range of possibilities are second next to none.

Being one of the Giver Classes, Pages are the Active counterpart to Knights,
and similar to them, their strengths lie in Serving. In the case of
the Pages specifically, it’s them who tend to be Served. Offered help by
others, and Stockpiling their Aspect’s power for themselves, to begin with they
may find it difficult to make direct use of their Aspect, forcing them to rely
on others to steadily improve. This only makes the road towards maturation and
self-improvement harder for Pages. However, if they manage to overcome the slow
rise to their full potential, they may tap into the immense stockpile of power
that is their Aspect. Making full use of their powers, a fully realized Page is
an unstoppable powerhouse, a beacon of their Aspect capable of facing even the
strongest of foes. Patience is key for the Page, and those that wronged them
while they were still growing, will eventually face the consequences of their
actions.

Hey first I want thank you for help me see dirkjake and especially Jake’s character in a new and more friendly light, I was not a fan of the ship and despised Jake sm, but all you metas and analysis helped me to understand him and his relationship with Dirk better Now, I did read your series about classpect system and I want know your opinion about Mages of Hope? It’s actually my classpect result and I’m curious

I’m happy to hear you like Jake more now! He’s p much my favorite character more often than not.

Mage of Hope has been the classpect I identified with for a longass time. I might be flirting with Maid now, though.

A Mage is the active version of a Prophet. So it’d be one who Knows hope or Knows through Hope. That could mean getting future visions, or just being a knowitall expert on matters where fantasy and beliefs are concerned (that’s what I aim for). 

It’s basically a kind of fortuneteller or magician who can attain immense knowledge of and perform literal miracles through their Aspect.

It’d be easier to list things a Mage of Hope couldn’t do, to be honest! 

Think you’d ever be interested in doing an analysis of the psionic/helmsman?

There’s basically no parts of Homestuck I’m not interested in doing analysis of to some extent. There’s stuff to say about the Helmsman, i just haven’t the time just yet.

If one knows the details of my reading on Heirs and takes note of the way I describe Psionics in the Aspects video, though, I think they’d be able to hazard a good guess as to my general thoughts.