It’s possible, but not much in canon has jossed either one, yet! It’s not like we got any canon text for Xefros–we got handled a cheat sheet telling us “actually this is where he’s at good luck”.
Whether they’re different or not, I’m certain we’ll eventually know all their Classpects pretty definitively, yeah.
? Are you on the same planet as me, anon? Classpecting just got like 20 times more interesting, not irrelevant.
Curious to know what parts of what I’ve written about you think are debunked. The only thing particularly shaken up as far as I can tell was Xefros’ status as a Time player, and even that we’re already starting to figure out the reasons for.
Or think we are, anyway! This is an evolving subject. I never claimed to have all the answers, just that I’ve been–and will continue to–keep working towards fandom’s ability to find them. Because it’s fun and interesting.
Aaaalso most of my original writing has concerned Classes so far, not so much Aspects. And this validated the fandom’s longest standing thoughts about the Aspects as paired items, along with every pairing. So idk I can’t really figure out any angle you’re coming at this from as anything other than trying and failing to be kind of biting and mean-spirited?
that being said i am both thrilled and a little weirded out that the limeblood description is….literally just describing karkat. that and a lot of the signs looking like his i guess this pretty much confirms that hes a mutant limeblood and thats pretty SWEET
one thing to note is that the way it describes his sign
sounds familiar to the wording for something else
i guess its nothing new but the way it seems deliberately worded the same is interesting
one of the twins (i think its barzum) is doom and derse
the other one is breath and derse
and trizza is derse and blood
And @revolutionaryduelist officially excuses himself, goes quietly into his room, and all the rest f us here for the next three hours is him storming around while swearing constantly and throwing shit.
Nah! I’m confused, admittedly, but if anything I find that exciting. Whenever I end up confused with Homestuck it leads to the conclusion that things are way more interesting and complex than I initially thought. If I feel at all like I felt after Act 7, well–last time I felt that way worked out pretty well for me.
It’s really interesting with Xefros in particular because SO MUCH of his Act 1 stuff so heavily involved Time, so like…what’s up?
Is this new Caste system flawed and prescriptive, like the Quadrants? I doubt that, or at least, I’m not eager to suggest this brand-new system is inaccurate or irrelevant. If true, that’ll probably become clear over the next Acts.
Assuming Xefros IS a Rage player is more interesting though, because A) We’ve got our first unambiguosly good Hero of Rage, which I was hoping for to begin with. B) Why the focus on Time, then? Given that Caste and Aspect were linked with the Sburb-playing Heroes from Homestuck, is that something being imposed on Xefros and obscuring his true nature, like the Knight role? Can you force Aspects on people like Classes???
Even if it turns out even stuff like intrinsically linking Time and rapping, admiring a dude you think of as “a figure from History” and imagining elaborate scenarios where said figure uses Time travel to fight a bunch of different versions of himself is all not enough detail to tell us about a Hero’s Aspect, that would in and of itself be interesting.
If nothing else, it’ll make it a lot easier to pinpoint how Homestuck/Hiveswap actually try to telegraph Aspect affinity. I’d take a chance at establishing a coherent logic over being right about this particular thing any day.
I’ll PROBABLY still do a classpect video on Xefros? I might even do it before Joey’s to put these questions at the forefront of any Classpect series.
Wow I needed to write all that out. Ok, back to work on videos–thanks @ everyone who sent me asks and sorry I didn’t answer more of them! The bottom line for now is that I find this all very interesting but I don’t think we have quite enough information to figure out how it all fits together.
That said I’m probably due for a quick replay of Act 1 to see if Xefros has any Rage references I missed.
I’m of the low-key opinion that this more closely resembles Reductionist Buzzfeed Quizzes than anything else. Frankly your analysis of Xefros is built on textual evidence in Hivebent – this quiz doesn’t read anything like him. Your reading feels much more solid than this bit of marketing hype.
I’m flattered, but I’m also not about to go saying my analysis trumps official content, y’anno? If you don’t defer to the text–whatever bizzare form it comes in–it’s easy to get stuck in assuming you’re right.
If it turns out I AM right and Xefros is a Time player, my guess is this caste system will indeed turn out to be flawed in text, much like the Troll quadrants did. I know we’re all excited, but it’s worth keeping in mind these are canonically castes assigned by a dystopian fascist power structure.
That it’s not perfect at describing the people it sorts is a real possibility–it’s not like Xefros got to fill out so much as a buzzfeed quiz.
Really though I don’t have a clue right now one way or another. All i’ve got are questions. Very interesting ones, though, at least for me.
Rage as an aspect at face value is hard to swallow but aspects are also given to players as challenges. Xefros is like the exact opposite of someone “rageful” but he’s in line with the description of someone that’s basically against authority and wants revolution. Otherwise he wouldn’t be in on it with Dammek, but if he really IS a rage player I think the implication would be his challenge is to meet this potential as someone more strongwilled and less fooled than he is
That’s quite possible. I tend not to think about the classpects as challenges to the players too much, mostly because it seems to me like at least in Homestuck, players were ALWAYS executing their classpects in some way or another–Jake was always serving himself Hope/through Hope, Gamzee was always destroying Rage (the beat where he calmed down Eridan, for example), so on.
So if Xefros IS a Rage player, I would’ve expected that to show up from the beginning. All of his Act 1 coding seems to heavily concern Time, but it’s quite possible I missed stuff (someone already reframed his excitedly crushing the soda can as a Rage thing, which I’m considering), and you’re right that there’s some ways he fits the profile.
My guess is the test is accurate, and Xefros is a Rage player. I’m just not sure what that means for the audience’s ability to deduce a characters’ classpect through canon clues. Hopefully revisiting Act 1 and later acts will make the logic that WP employs in writing Classpects a lot clearer to us, with so many characters in play.
one of the twins (i think its barzum) is doom and derse
the other one is breath and derse
and trizza is derse and blood
And @revolutionaryduelist officially excuses himself, goes quietly into his room, and all the rest f us here for the next three hours is him storming around while swearing constantly and throwing shit.
Nah! I’m confused, admittedly, but if anything I find that exciting. Whenever I end up confused with Homestuck it leads to the conclusion that things are way more interesting and complex than I initially thought. If I feel at all like I felt after Act 7, well–last time I felt that way worked out pretty well for me.
It’s really interesting with Xefros in particular because SO MUCH of his Act 1 stuff so heavily involved Time, so like…what’s up?
Is this new Caste system flawed and prescriptive, like the Quadrants? I doubt that, or at least, I’m not eager to suggest this brand-new system is inaccurate or irrelevant. If true, that’ll probably become clear over the next Acts.
Assuming Xefros IS a Rage player is more interesting though, because A) We’ve got our first unambiguosly good Hero of Rage, which I was hoping for to begin with. B) Why the focus on Time, then? Given that Caste and Aspect were linked with the Sburb-playing Heroes from Homestuck, is that something being imposed on Xefros and obscuring his true nature, like the Knight role? Can you force Aspects on people like Classes???
Even if it turns out even stuff like intrinsically linking Time and rapping, admiring a dude you think of as “a figure from History” and imagining elaborate scenarios where said figure uses Time travel to fight a bunch of different versions of himself is all not enough detail to tell us about a Hero’s Aspect, that would in and of itself be interesting.
If nothing else, it’ll make it a lot easier to pinpoint how Homestuck/Hiveswap actually try to telegraph Aspect affinity. I’d take a chance at establishing a coherent logic over being right about this particular thing any day.
I’ll PROBABLY still do a classpect video on Xefros? I might even do it before Joey’s to put these questions at the forefront of any Classpect series.
Wow I needed to write all that out. Ok, back to work on videos–thanks @ everyone who sent me asks and sorry I didn’t answer more of them! The bottom line for now is that I find this all very interesting but I don’t think we have quite enough information to figure out how it all fits together.
That said I’m probably due for a quick replay of Act 1 to see if Xefros has any Rage references I missed.
I actually got Hope, but I was able to get a sense of what the questions were getting at, so I’m not sure to what extent I gamed the system! Oh well, I’m pretty happy. This is fun :B
Will you make a future video regarding some of it? I’ve literally watched all your videos in awe. XD
Definitely, especially since it’s a pretty hefty wrench thrown into the video I was GOING to make on Xefros, who seemed like an extremely clear-cut time player. If this is meant to be taken as canonical, it suggests that Classpects as applied to the trolls, at least, are way more complex than we first thought.
It’s awfully exciting to try to figure out! God I love homestuck.
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whaaaaaaaat the FUCK this is fascinating and so weird, I have so much to reconsider and double check
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