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well with that logic, everything could be defined by a lack of void, but I don’t really think thats what we’re supposed to get from it. Thee’s more to it than that, of course. And the reason the aspects tangle more than that is because every aspect is intrinsically related to every aspect in some way. For example, time and doom both deal with death, light and mind both deal with knowledge. that overlap creates situations where multiple aspects work together to create all the nuances of a concept

catchaloststar:

Counterpoint for the Hope/Rage part, though: lack of Hope is hopelessness, not anger. And lack of Rage is apathy, not hope. There’s a pretty clear destruction of Rage early in Act 5 when Eridan is talking to Gamzee. Several things are happening in that conversation, but the most obvious is Eridan’s sudden turnaround on Faygo. He goes from

CA: i dont havve a fuckin faygo you stupid fuck wwhy wwould i keep that disgusting shit on hand

To

What.

It’s just soda. Not great, but not that bad either. What’s the big deal?

We all need to settle down here.

To

FCA: i mean

FCA: its not evven that bad

FCA: its just soda but wwhatevver this isnt the point

If the destruction of Rage was equivalent to the creation of Hope, then that scene could have been presented in a way to make that connection more obvious – convincing Eridan that Faygo might actually taste good, for example. But (aside from Gamzee’s prattering on about miracles) that conversation has nothing to do with Hope. Eridan isn’t given any hope that he might be able to talk to Karkat later (Gamzee clearly isn’t willing to interrupt Jack Noir), nor that Feferi might get back together with him (he resigns himself to the fact that Feferi cares more about Sollux than himself at the moment and that she’s right in doing so). And Eridan walks away from that conversation with neither positive nor negative opinions of Faygo.

Overall, Eridan does not sound like he gained any Hope from the destruction of his Rage.

TC: ArE YoU SuRe i cAn’t hElP A bRoThEr Up iNtO HiS MoThErFuCkIn cHiLl?

CA: i dont knoww

CA: it probably doesnt matter

CA: my feelins seem petty and meaninless noww

CA: she had better things to wworry about than my ovverwwrought bullshit

CA: like the dead guy wwho savved her

CA: so forget it thanks anywway

You could definitely argue that Hope and Rage, as positive and negative emotions respectively, are mutually exclusive. That’s reasonable. I just disagree that the absence of any one aspect defines the presence of any other aspect (except Void).

(I guess you could also argue that hopelessness is a negative emotion that falls under Rage’s domain? Or that Gamzee was really trying to create Hope by encouraging Eridan to believe in miracles, and it’s not classpect theory’s fault that Gamzee is a shitty Maid (or whatever) of Hope? I don’t agree with those, but I think they’d be interesting arguments to make.)

Oh yeah, that’s a pretty good point. Gotta say I’m inclined to say you’ve swayed me on this one–what would you say the destruction of an Aspect brings about, then? Equilibrium or total balance or Void in this case, as well? This is gonna keep me up tonight and i have a flight tomorrow rip me

#i guess i also interpret rage more literally #as anger and fervor and such#not so broadly as to include shame sadness etc #jake crying in a dersite prison isn’t rage

In the interest of clarifying my thoughts on Rage though, I think this lil bit dovetails nicely with this: 

revolutionaryduelist:

i think that escaped my inital point somewhat but it’s far more interesting territory to discuss just how exactly every aspect relates to all the others, more than just its opposite

I agree completely, yeah. I figured Time and Space were standouts re: Void just because they describe physical dimensions, if that makes sense? Like. Destroying Space doesn’t really create Time, and in the Furthest Ring the absence of one means the other is also non-existent. 

But if someone’s Hope is destroyed, it doesn’t typically result in “nothingness”–it results in negative emotions. Either fear, despair, sorrow, or Rage, or so on. All of that stuff is under Rage’s purview, and so it makes sense for me to say the absence of Hope is Rage to a degree, and vice versa. 

Do you see what I mean by Time and Space not necessarily having that relationship? It seems different in a subtle way. 

I guess you could also argue that hopelessness is a negative emotion that falls under Rage’s domain?

In that I would. When I consider the Aspects I always err towards the broadest interpretation possible. No other approach makes sense to me, because the Aspects by definition describe everything that reality could possibly be.

If we don’t ascribe negative emotions to Rage, then what Aspect claims them?

I don’t think Jake crying in a cell is Jake like, inverting into a Rage player or w.e, but I do think it’s telling that the things Jake strives hardest to avoid are all Rage things–the possibility of letting down his friends, or hurting someone’s feelings, or having people be mad at him, etc. 

If you want a unifying thread for all those negative emotions, I would say that negative emotions tend to center us in the raw, definite mundanity of our own suffering, and have us stop considering alternate possibilities or ideas.

In other words, Rage is fundamentally linked to the mundane and the physical, and with the emotions that bring your emotional center into the physical plane as opposed to Hope, which centers itself primarily in the realm of ideas. 

well with that logic, everything could be defined by a lack of void, but I don’t really think thats what we’re supposed to get from it. Thee’s more to it than that, of course. And the reason the aspects tangle more than that is because every aspect is intrinsically related to every aspect in some way. For example, time and doom both deal with death, light and mind both deal with knowledge. that overlap creates situations where multiple aspects work together to create all the nuances of a concept

i think that escaped my inital point somewhat but it’s far more interesting territory to discuss just how exactly every aspect relates to all the others, more than just its opposite

I agree completely, yeah. I figured Time and Space were standouts re: Void just because they describe physical dimensions, if that makes sense? Like. Destroying Space doesn’t really create Time, and in the Furthest Ring the absence of one means the other is also non-existent. 

But if someone’s Hope is destroyed, it doesn’t typically result in “nothingness”–it results in negative emotions. Either fear, despair, sorrow, or Rage, or so on. All of that stuff is under Rage’s purview, and so it makes sense for me to say the absence of Hope is Rage to a degree, and vice versa. 

Do you see what I mean by Time and Space not necessarily having that relationship? It seems different in a subtle way. 

Hey in terms of abstract aspects forming the universe, what would you say to the idea that the presence of each aspect is defined by the lack of its opposite? E.g. The presence of void is the absence of Light and vice versa. It works better with some aspect opposites than others, but i think you could make a case for each.

I think that’s pretty much baked into the Ying/Yang existential duality concept that both the Classes and the Aspects revolve around, so yeah, I agree.

I think it’s probably more complicated than a simple conflict between the two “paired” complementary forces, though. For instance, this isn’t really true about Time and Space at all–Void would define both of those forces in contrast instead. 

There are definitely some cases where this is true, basically, but if the twelve aspects are elements of thought that describe all of reality in unison, it’s likely there’s contexts where they’re paired or related in infinite different ways. So I do think it’s useful to think more broadly than “X always marks Y”, if I’m making any sense at all? 

hello yes i would like your opinion as a fellow classpect goblin on my theory that one of the differences in a rogue and a thiefs powers, is a thief takes something and the victim looses it while a rogue takes something without necessarily causing the other person to loose it, ei a thief of mind could have possession, they loose there mind while another person has control, a rogue of mind could copy skills and fighting styles while leaving the originals midns in tact

hypeswap:

hypeswap:

vriska literally kills a monster in openbound by stealing its light and making its luck really bad EDIT: wait i musread um on mobile hold on

okay now that i’ve read this correctly:

not quite the way i interpret it! i think that both classes can do it both of the ways you described (though, yes, thieves are more likely to take something for themselves and rogues are more likely to share it)

for example: vriska rifled through tavros’ memories without his permission while they were briefly merged, stealing that information from him

roxy using the powers of void to steal herself away from condy’s prison on derse would have obviously resulted in her absence, too

Another good example of this is the Condesce stealing all the “skills” and “powers” of the various blood castes; a friend of mine pointed out that skills fall pretty solidly under the purview of Life. Specially w/ trolls since the blood castes seemed to divide up their powers and shape their lives under the Condesce’s regime. 

foodparty

stormsbourne:

I always liked the idea that jake actually has practice cooking while dirk knows how to boil water and not much else. dirk has grown up eating canned food and instant noodles and cooking the occasional fish, but he’s never been super interested in learning to cook. 

meanwhile, jake may have been gifted with skaianet cooking tech, but he learned the basics of cooking without it and is such a natural hand at learning anything he gets interested in that he picks up the basics really easily. when they first start living together they take turns cooking but soon enough jake takes the lead without even being asked. he loves trying new things and learning new ways to cook and he’s singlehandedly responsible for getting dirk to eat full fucking meals 3 times a day instead of just eating a pack of ramen around dinnertime. he gets a lot of tips from jane and when all the alphas get together they usually end up buzzing around in the kitchen together to make dinner, but he also adopts this for his life with dirk. 

routinely dirk will come out of his workshop to discover that jake has laid them out a full four course meal and he feels so pampered and flattered and he can’t look at jake the entire goddamn meal because it’s too embarrassing and he’s too in love

this isn’t a very good daily post

stormsbourne:

anyway dirkjake is canon and it’s a good day to remember that after all the shit those boys went through they loved each other enough to give it another go and it ended happily. they live together in a kingdom full of lizards and turtles and wear flower crowns and build robots together and send their friends cute couple-y snaps. they are happy together. they have learned to communicate, they’ve learned to stop avoiding each other (literally and emotionally), they’ve learned to trust one another. they’re happy and it’s real

jake’s bare ass

stormsbourne:

can you imagine being dirk though and having your boyfriend insist on this costume. when you try to talk him into wearing some shorts or something he gets all offended. strider it has to be authentic, the na’vi wear almost nothing, I know for a fact you’ve seen the movie enough times to know that! jeez! now help me get the stripes on my back, they have to be parallel and I can’t reach that far. on the double mister!

and dirk just sighing and going back to work as jake double and triple checks his loin cloth for movie consistency. 

jake leaving his na’vi makeup smeared everywhere like a shitty troll cosplayer and kanaya just cringing as she watches every surface of the house become bluer. roxy (since jane cannot bring herself to do so) makes a “guess you blue yourself” joke and jake eagerly replies oh yes, but of course, I had help from strider! dirk is dying. free him from hell.