Surprise Homestuck Furry Meta: The Jade Harley Owns edition

[EDIT: Updated this with the source for the artist.]

I don’t have like an essay for this or anything but my furry friend is reading along the comic now and he just got to Jade.

He reached her furry exposition page, so I informed him those reader commands were from actual readers back in 2009 who wanted Jade to drop the furry stuff as soon as it was introduced, and Hussie responded to this by doubling down on it hard as hell with that Jade speech.

But anyway that’s not the point. The point is my friend laughed and mentioned he found the furriest shit in her room. I figured it’d be like the SBAHJ poster or something but I asked him to show me. He posts this

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And um, guys, I don’t think I’ve ever seen this fursona anywhere. It’s not a notable character anywhere I can remember. But like, giving it some thought…isn’t that a green furry dog girl? 

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And her eyes are blue, just like…Jade’s shirt. And her gills suggest amphibious qualities, linking her to Abraxas, suggesting she–

Nah i’m fucking with you. I guess I COULD link her to Gnosticism at length but I’m not sure there’s anything there and it’s not the point, I don’t really feel the need to argue in favor of this blatant truth 

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You can pretend this isn’t Jade’s canon fursona all you want but i think we all know the truth deep in our hearts


EDIT: Thanks to cool Tumblr user pankaeks we know who the artist for this girl is! The image can be sourced to this (only BARELY SFW, so tread with caution) art piece by tsampikos, and the character depicted belongs to Furaffinity user selucilia

Here’s a shot of the original piece:

You’ll notice the character still has the cute cheek scruff I misidentified as gills in the green pallette, making the Jade->Abraxas link the definitive total horseshit it was the whole time. I’m heartbroken.

Of course, the picture seems to have been edited to reflect Jade’s color scheme, so it still seems pretty definitely to represent Jade in some way. I’m still willing to call it Jade’s canon fursona inside the context of Homestuck, though I’m obvs a little more reserved knowing it’s someone’s character. 

But yeah Jade’s fursona…I fucking love it…I might actually work up the will to get the old tablet out and draw her. Earth C Fursona drawparty, Jade. Make it happen. I believe in you. 

Here’s the second tear for the  Know/Change pair, talking about some cool stuff re: John’s relationship with his Magic trick books 😉

Not gonna lie, this is the essay I’m most excited for, and the Change/Know classes have ratcheted upwards to become what are likely my favorites. 

You can access this essay early by hooking up with my Patreon–otherwise you’ll be able to read it tomorrow, when I post it here! You can also talk to me about it on the Hiveswap discord and on the r/Hiveswap subreddit. And here on Tumblr, obviously 😉

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is dirk a canon horse furry?

You probably weren’t expecting an essay length answer to this question. So like let there be no doubt at all from this point onwards this is exactly the kind of content you can legitimately expect from this blog. This is who I am. I’m sorry.

Also, you’re welcome. 

Yes, Dirk is a furry. And his relationship to furries shows us a lot about his parallels and similarities to one Rose Lalonde. Who is also a furry.

Let’s get into this. 

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Dirk is interested in furries to some extent, and finds the aesthetic appealing on some level. I mean, look at this. I can’t even count how many pictures of muscley horse dudes there are here. The dude isn’t exactly subtle.  To quote Jake…

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 Dirk isn’t exactly just a HORSE furry, though:

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The swole bunny men help us notice something else about Dirk. As brash as he is in his introduction, bragging about his interest in sequential art that he describes as “Bordeline Pornography”, Dirk gets uncomfortable and leads the reader away when the narrative focus rests too squarely on a furry bunny dude he presumably finds attractive. 

He dodges, and badly at that. To Dirk, swole bunny men represent something to hide–an interest he has that he cannot honestly incorporate into his cool, stoic, Above It All Persona. Not even through the hyper-sincere irony he tells Jane about. It’s something to hide, which means that at his core it’s something that matters to him. 

And hey, you know who else is very much not shy about plastering her interests where anyone can see for her own pleasure?

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As plenty of people have noted recently, there’s no heterosexual explanation for this. I’d already categorize this as falling into the spectrum of anthropomorphization we talk about as Furry–if you disagree that’s fine, though I do know furries who like this kind of thing. The point is that like Dirk, Rose knows what she likes, and like Dirk, Rose likes some weird shit

On this side of the argument, though–showing that the characters like this furry stuff through their own characterization–Dirk gets a lot more content than Rose does. But Rose’s relationship with furry is confirmed much more intensely than Dirk’s on the other side of this argument: through their relationships to their Splinters. 

Dirk and Rose’s attitudes towards furry and their own identities lead them to distance themselves from the actual term in publicDirk pokes fun of Avatar as “blue space furry shit” with Jake, and Rose needles John on not having his own furry alt-self, dramatically bemoaning the existence of  “Cat Rose”

In both cases, they’re happy to pretend that furry stuff doesn’t interest them at all, and part of their approach to doing so is either joking about others being interested in it or actively playing up their resentment for it. Either way, the implication they send is that they themselves are Not Interested. 

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This is a lie, and is to be ruthlessly exploited for comedy, which Homestuck does magnificently well. 

Both Dirk and Rose are very invested in seeming Above the kind of self-indulgent identity play that Furry tends to encompass. Intense sincerity of expression bothers to them even as it appeals, because the images they want to project to the people they care about is one of aloof, self-aware, competently critical collectedness. One could say it bothers BECAUSE it appeals.

Which is the exact reason Rose is so annoyed by Jasprose. Jasprose acts as Rose would without the self-awareness she uses to present only the carefully crafted persona she wants other people to see. Jasprose doesn’t think about what others think of her at all. Jasprose thinks in terms of self-indulgence. 

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A self-indulgence explicitly linked to their status as full-blown, unabashed Furries. Jasprose, by her very being, brings all of Rose’s hidden words and feelings to Light, not being shy at all about sharing them and indulging whatever desire is on her mind.  

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She mixes cat terminology with flirting, stressing her identity as someone who is a furry and loving every second of it. Davepeta even draws the distinction between her and Rose, noting that Jasprose owns who she is and acts more honestly about it. 

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Arquis does the same thing, but Dirk doesn’t quite resent AR for presenting a furry, happier, more honest version of himself. Dirk resents AR for entirely different reasons that I’ve already written too much about. 

But there are genuinely harmless ways that Arquis DOES reflect Dirk’s interest, and those are worth unpackaging. Specifically, there’s the way AR describes himself finally becoming happy.

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And yeah someone could nibble with this wording and say well actually Equius likes horses so maybe its him and I actually couldn’t be less interested in trying to explain why Dirk’s character already incorporates an absolutely Furry level of enjoyment of horses so here’s his room again.

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So basically Dirk and Rose are interested in furry stuff to some extent but won’t really admit it. They wouldn’t admit it to you if you asked them or anything. 

I think this is really fascinating and that they share this particular nuance of characterization so completely is fantastic. Even Dirk’s double face palm and Rose’s pillow hiding feel really similar to me in the sentiment of mortified frustration it gets across.

And all this really stresses their similarities and makes Roxy’s line emphasizing how similar Rose and Dirk are hit home all the harder. I wanted to ramble about that for a while. God I love these kids what was I talking about again?

Oh yeah furries. So Rose and Dirk are both furries but neither of them would CALL themselves furries in public. 

Yet. The thing is, this girl exists:

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Give Jade like, one birthday party where she decides she wants everyone to have a furry party and draw up fursonas together, and we’re good to go. There’s pretty much no circumstances under which I doubt Jade’s power to get all her friends to stop hiding an interest they ALL KNOW DEEP DOWN they share with her but keep pushing away out of a dumb point of pride. 

It’ll be great I promise someone write this fic ok thanks in advance. Anyway yeah give Jade like a year after they get to Earth C and she’ll get them all on the same page. By which I mean all, not just Dirk and Rose. 

Jane’s actually the only main character who hasn’t expressed any interest in furries at any point in the story to my memory, and she’s already been willing to play around with trollsonas. Which means at some point in the context of eternity these kids are going to get the hell over themselves and draw some fursonas. And if they don’t, Jade will make sure they will. 

So yeah. Every human kid in Homestuck is a furry. Also every living troll, and Callie. Probably all their subjects too frankly. 

Welcome to Homestuck canon!

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All witches are selfish, the Queen had said. But Tiffany’s Third Thoughts said: Then turn selfishness into a weapon! Make all things yours! Make other lives and dreams and hopes yours! Protect them! Save them! Bring them into the sheepfold! Walk the gale for them! Keep away the wolf! My dreams! My brother! My family! My land! My world! How dare you try to take these things, because they are mine!
I have a duty!

Terry Pratchett, The Wee Free Men (Discworld, #30; Tiffany Aching, #1)

So this is vibing really really hard for me in terms of Active classes in general, and Jade and Jake in particular. I think the active/passive system is unfurling into something that is as profound and fascinating as the Aspects themselves in my head and I am really really excited about it. 

I just read your post about Jade and to further add to the point that as a Space player she is enamored by the game and enjoys it to the fullest, the part where she allows PM to take control of the situation in Collide is similar to playing a game and knowing it so well that she found a way to smuggle a character or item to an area where it was never intended to go in the first place. The best actual example for this I know of is the video, “Ross’ Level – YOU ARE A MONSTER – No Casualties.”

revolutionaryduelist:

Lmaoooo I love this idea and now want an au where Jade does glitch exploit speedruns of games

And by au I just mean post canon fic honestly

Witch of Space==> Ascend : What is Jade Harley’s Story?

forgottenhsfacts:

I’ve been trying pretty hard to stick close to canon and evaluate what Homestuck’s been trying to do so far instead of speculating, but let me know if there’s anything you think I missed or didn’t explain well enough or disagree with if you do end up reading this–I love feedback and my aim is honestly just to try to pin down what the comic was going for.

That’s really good! You bring up a lot of points I had never considered before, and framing everything in that view certainly is a better story for Jade than, “too op to use better make everything suck for her”

oh so that’s where these notes are coming from. Wasnt expecting you to post that, thanks! 

P much. I think there’s still really valid criticisms of Jade’s arc but I do think this makes it more…coherent and satisfying for me at least. If it does that for other people too I’m happy. 

Witch of Space==> Ascend : What is Jade Harley’s Story?

how do you think the jade/dirk or roxy/terezi dynamic would work?

Jade and Dirk: 

Jade listens to Dirk ramble about human culture or current Earth C pop culture or the nature of pornography as a philosophical language/art and is in awe, it’s like listening to someone who knows what they’re talking about like Rose but with the intense phallocentric interest of Dave and she thinks it’s by parts fascinating and hilarious. Jade is probably the person who makes furries evolve from an interesting sociological field of study into a full-blown fandom for Dirk. She helps him design his Horsesona or whatever. They hide all this from Jake for a while because neither of them is ready to deal with the inevitable Na’visona but it happens eventually anyway.

Dirk listens to Jade ramble about the secrets of the universe and science and technology and high-level engineering mechanics. Like I said he tutors her and Jake to get them up to speed on the last 400 years of engineering progress but Jade picks it up in like, a week, and from then on immediately starts crafting innovations that leave Dirk confused and beffudled and FRUSTRATED just trying to keep up–he loves it. He also helps her out doing grunt work for sciencey stuff and is mentally freaking out all the goddamn time because he wants to impress her so bad. They commiserate over Jake’s awful taste but Jade clowns on him hard over how in love he is and Dirk sits there and takes it getting owned like a chump. 

Roxy and Terezi:

They bond hard over falling for people who put out very strong personas that made them feel unloved for years (Dirk is also in this club even though he was the person Roxy was in love with after they talk it out. Terezi is like. Human romance sure is weird.) They also work together to tease the fuck out of John and eventually that grows into an interest in teasing the fuck out of each other. Also Terezi becomes Roxy’s go-to source for all the primest, juiciest Rose and Dave meteor years gossip/embarassing moments/secrets. One time Roxy teases Rose about, like, hey so i herd you willingly watched Twilight with Kanaya once and Rose is like FIRST OF ALL THAT WAS A FACETIOUS VIEWING AND SECOND OF ALL I WILL MURDER TEREZI PYROPE SHE’S THE ONE WHO WALKED IN ON US AND WE HAD THE COMMON ROOM -SCHEDULED- AND,