dahniwitchoflight:

revolutionaryduelist:

I hadn’t really gotten to Jude yet at all–he still seems like a Doom player, but now I’m more uncertain about all of them.

I have been reconsidering Joey as a Life player pretty heartily, actually, BUT…I think in the end, at least so far, it’s only left me more sure she’s a Light player. 

But the reason why, I think, suggests some new infomation relevant to how the Classpect system works. I’m curious to know what you’ll think about it! 
And since I’m about to record this in video form and it’s pretty overwhelming and difficult to talk about, I think it’ll help to get my thoughts in order somewhat, so I think I’ll do some prep here. 

My logic goes something like this: 

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Ok so a couple things! It seems like we agree on Xefros, so him aside:

A) My only real point with Aspect roleplay is that if this Caste=Aspect link is real, we now know it’s POSSIBLE for a character to be one Aspect but ghost/manifest another, even if the aspect isn’t the other side of their coin.

I agree we’ve only seen that with this Caste system, but if it’s possible here, I’m not sure there’s much reason to assume it’s impossible for the system in general. 

Most Aspect “switching” in Homestuck does seem to be along the opposed pairs, though, so I’d say that’s still the default trend absent powerful cultural or personal forces like this one.

If this is true, we’ll probably find out in Act 2. Not sure I believe it yet, but I’m hoping because it sounds cool. 

B) Fair point re: A. Claire painting the sun! I think I’ve officially hit a point where I’m shrugging and going “GUESS WE’LL SEE” with Joey. I’m not sure what’s going on with her Light and Life synchronicity.

I will say I think her conflict with Pa vibes more with Light than Life for me.
Joey isn’t particularly putting her needs aside for Pa, she just feels ignored and uncared for. Joey craves attention/the spotlight,
not the ability to indulge self-care.

C) Jude we’re reading considerably differently, and writing about him means talking about Joey as Light a bit more, so let’s see how this sounds:

First, I don’t view him as being particularly interested in knowledge for its own sake–it seems to me he collects knowledge specifically on what he perceives as threats. The cultists, siege tactics, etc. The abduction shirt is the same way–Jude is aware of and afraid of what he sees as consequences or things that will befall him and Joey. 

Jude certainly knows a lot, but he knows it for a reason, and I have been-until now-attributing it to him being a Mage or, more likely given that he manages to save Joey through his knowledge but suffers greatly to do so himself, a Seer.

Knowledge for it’s own sake is actually something I’d describe Joey seeking! The book on Alternian animals, wanting to know more about Lusii, etc. She’s essentially teaching herself about an entire ecosystem on the fly, which def sounds like being “the universe’s student”.

“They aren’t overly concerned with laws or norms, either. They often take rules as simple suggestions, instead searching for loopholes or work-arounds.”

I can see how this describes Jude, but I’d kind of say it describes Joey better. Like you said, Jude is unaware of how he comes off. Joey, on the other hand, is aware that liking video games and stuff makes kids at school think she’s weird and call her a poser. She’s been exposed to the sexist “rules” of 90′s Americana.

She just doesn’t care about those rules, and mostly finds herself frustrated that kids at school are dull and mean. She doesn’t perceive herself as doing anything wrong at all! 

This kind of “above the rules” mindset linked to Light was always how I handwaved Rose having like, no conflict about her sexuality, so I guess maybe I’ve just been inclined to find something like that in Joey when thinking of her as a Light player. But we’ll see. 

Finally, re: the Hyperion Child thing, I’d…actually say Byers is way more likely to represent Joey, not Jude himself. Comes down to Jude’s relationship with the other birds–Frohike dies, Langley runs away. Just like A. Claire and Pa, respectively.

Jude isn’t linked to the birds directly; instead, they seem to represent his relationship to his family members. I think that connection is redoubled since Byers leaves with Joey, and the scruff of Byer’s neck matches the color of Joey’s Sun shirt. If anyone is the Hyperion child, I’d say it’s her. 

That’s where I’m at currently, anyway. This stuff is all a work in progress, and I’m currently not sure about any of it, don’t get me wrong. Those are just the associations I’d built up until now. 

If Act 2 further establishes Goldblood as a Caste as connected to Duality, I think that would sway me closer to Jude as a Doom player, given his Lord English associations. If it debunks that, I think I’ll move closer to your view. 

I will say you make some good points, particularly with the Light puzzle (though I’d argue if the duality motif holds it has just as much Doom relevance, given the Deer and Lion’s associations with Calliope and LE). And with the lantern.
I don’t really have anything to say about those one way or another, except that they’re interesting and I think it’s possible you’re correct.