ymawgat:

flirtymauveskirt:

ymawgat:

flirtymauveskirt:

@ymawgat #I DON’T AGREE WITH THE DEFINITIONS BUT I AGREE WITH THE ASSIGNMENTS

now im all curious HOW DO U DEFINE THE THINGS i am on a constant mission to increase my understanding of classpects

@flirtymauveskirt AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I think the aspects work the ways most people think they do, but for classes I go in for the “some class-verbs/functions are opposite to others” and more specifically:

key-Verb:    active passive

Destroy: Prince/Bard

vs

Heal: Witch/Sylph

~

Steal: Thief/Rogue

vs

Give: Maid/Heir

~

Fight: Knight/Page

vs

Understand: Mage/Seer

there are some posts with the reasonings/evidence behind this system on my blog already, but I’m going to try and post more after my exams are over (which is like, in a week)

oh yeah that theory sounds familiar! opposites r always fun and pleasing.. im not sure sure about seer/mage tho, rose and terezi both seemed awful active?

oh also im curious if those are meant to be verb aspect or verb with aspect or either

@flirtymauveskirt

uh, I think we might have “word of god” on the seer thing; here Hussie says:

Jade was especially passive for a lot of the story, spending a lot of time falling asleep (or being put to sleep) at key moments. It wasn’t until she reached god tier as a Witch (said to be a highly active class) that she became extremely active, making lots of stuff happen, rounding up planets and all that. Rose may have been a similar case, being excessively active as a Derse dreamer, but then flipping over to a passive role upon reaching god tier as a passive class.

also you said:

oh also im curious if those are meant to be verb aspect or verb with aspect or either

and I want to answer this question but I’m not really sure what you mean by it? 

When I said “verbs” I meant the descriptive words like “destroy” and “heal”; like the classes’ function?

So like I think Knights and Pages “fight” which is opposite to “Understand”, which is what I think Seers and Mages do? 

Sorry if it’s rude to jump in, but since you mentioned being on a constant quest, I may as well pitch in that I’ve advanced my own model for the Classes recently, too, and I’m pretty sure I have textual evidence for all of it. You can find it here: https://revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.com/post/160318227692/force-and-flow-the-aspects-arent-the-only

Btw ymaw I had been meaning to say I read your post on Knight/Pages as ‘fight’ and I think you touched on some pretty interesting stuff (I do in a way agree with the core verb after all) but overall I came away with a lot of questions. I’d be happy to jam about it whenever you have time, but I’m not convinced by a few of the examples you list that, imo, are directly contradicted by canon. 

I think you’re definitely right about the contrast between Knights/Pages and Seers/Mages with regards to their short-term vs. long-term thinking though, and that’s an interesting thing to pick up on. 

roxilalonde:

ok hold on a minute because i want to talk about the “jake is dumb” trope and its prevalence especially in fanfic

i’m not gonna say that jake is the smartest kid of his cohort, or that he’s in the same league as terezi/rose/jade, but a lot of people misread him when characterizing him as stupid. his difficulties throughout the storyline come from interpersonal issues; i.e., that he’s bad at reading situations, tonally, and he’s egocentric even at the best of times. (suggested reading: his conversation with jane after forgetting her birthday). unlike dirk, for example, who is hyperaware of his effect on other people but struggles interpersonally all the same, jake doesn’t pick up on others’ moods as quickly as any of his three friends. thing is, although this has zero bearing on how “intelligent” he is (in the problem-solving or memory-amassing sense), it’s how members of western society are trained to perceive intelligence. unless someone emanates brainpower á la sheldon cooper, our first judgment mechanism for intelligence is how good someone is at charming, manipulating, or generally interacting with others. it’s a faulty heuristic! but it’s how we read people. so when jake fails to realize that jane is peeved at him, and that it’s probably not the best time to talk about his boy problems, it’s read as “jake is dumb and can’t even understand that monosyllabic answers mean she’s pissed” not “jake grew up on a deserted island and has only been speaking to other teenaged human beings for a fraction of that time, so he’s a little slow on the uptake concerning nuanced, person-specific emotional indicators.”

furthermore: whenever we see one of jake’s moments of interpersonal “stupidity,” it’s always with the audience advantage. we know what’s going on at the other end of the conversation. we know jane’s pissed because she’s onscreen the entire time they’re talking. it’s dramatic irony that he blunders on about his romantic troubles, even as we’re thinking, “shut the fuck up, please, oh my god, why are you doing this.” that’s (one of) the point(s) of the passage. consider Oedipus Rex. sophocles knows that oedi fucked his mom, and tiresias knows that oedi fucked his mom, and we know that oedi fucked his mom, but if a blight is eating your city, your first thought probably isn’t “wow, i fucked my mom!”

additionally, for most of the comic, jake stands in the shadow of dirk. subject of Strider Mainpain as he is, jake has received the fandom notoriety he has as one part of dirk/jake, not for any widespread affection for his character (as contrasted with dirk himself, as well as dave). when he is portrayed, it is in conjunction with dirk – who is not breathtakingly intelligent, necessarily, so much as he’s person who tries very hard to seem intelligent, and has a lot of practice pretending. jake never pretends to be smarter than he is; ergo, when juxtaposed with dirk “how many four-syllable synonyms for ‘old’ can i cram into this sentence” strider, some conclude that he’s dumb.

still, for most of the comic, jake makes consistently decent decisions. he has his moments, sure. he’s a teenager. terezi has moments. but he’s clever, despite those moments. his pesterlogs are full of sharp lines and bright turns of phrase. his actions with liv tyler and the lotus capsule were skillful manipulations of technology. 

the irony in all of this is that jake parodies the “hot adventure chick” stereotype, the subversive element being his gender. yet the same mistake is made wrt jake as is often made wrt “adventure chicks” – the assumption that he’s stupid because his most-noted feature is his beauty. when his friends praise him, it’s almost invariably praise for his physical features, his ass, his face, his desirability. that he’s a funny, bright kid with a lot of cool interests is infrequently brought up in explaining their reasons for pursuing him. so that element of his character is skimmed right over in fanfic, where dirk is given the lion’s share of characterization and angst.

none of this is to say that good characters have to be “intelligent,” by any of the many arbitrary definitions thereof. that intellect is indispensable to heroic or good characters is not my argument. it’s that jake’s lack of immediately observable intelligence being mistaken for stupidity has roots in how his decisions are presented.

All of this is pretty great. It’s also worth noting that a lot of Jake’s obliviousness is actually willful ignorance–Jake actively uses that his friends see him as dense at times to his advantage in avoiding accountability. When you get right down to it, Jake is one of the sharpest and most perceptive characters in the comic.

I’d put him at about Dirk’s level, though obviously, neither of them are quite a match for the Seers.

Which is why it’s pretty sad to me that most of his fandom depiction boils down to “He has a hot ass and people like looking at it.” Jake is way more complex and he’s a fascinating, versatile character to play with conceptually. 

It’s also worth noting that where every other character in the comic praises Jake’s looks but downplays his intelligence, Alpha Dirk proper–not AR o Brain Ghost Dirk, who are different agents who think differently–pretty much never comments on Jake’s looks (outside of the one time Dave mentions it and Dirk agrees…in the process of explaining why he didn’t want to talk about it).

And where he comments on Jake’s intelligence, it’s to make it clear that he thinks Jake is smart and to flatter and validate him. 

Tl;dr I wish the fandom appreciated Jake half as much as Dirk Strider does

Sorry, but not quite yet if that’s alright. I can’t think of how reading Pages passive breaks any arcs, as far as I can tell all the examples you listed are unaffected or, in a few cases, actually make more sense to me with passive Pages and active Knights (but I’ll be the first to admit I’m not very good at arc analysis lol). Could you elaborate?

Haha yeah I was being kind of flippant and facetious in the ask I think you’re referencing. I only want to start conversations, not impose a new understanding, so I’m happy to talk things out and debate views!

My only caveat here being that I wrote most of this out already in my various essays on Knights and Pages, especially the one I just posted on serve/steal. I’m not sure if you read that yet but I’d be curious to hear particular points you disagreed with if you did

Rounding them up in relative shortform in no particular order:

Jake: I’m not going in depth on this one because I’ve written so much about Jake it’s not even funny. 

Tl;dr Jake wanted Dirk the whole time, he wants Dirk selfishly because he views Dirk has his protector and bodyguard and because Dirk helps him with whatever he wants help with, and he knowingly manipulated Jane into denying her feelings for him despite knowing otherwise for a fact because Roxy told him that she had feelings for him.

All of this is literally textual and in the comic.

Reading Jake as passive is the only reason anyone thinks DirkJake is ambiguous instead of one of the most mutual and passionate gay romances in all fiction, and it’s based on nothing but misinformation.

I’ve written so much about this it’s not funny, but feel free to read any of my various arguments on the subject and debate particular points if you want to follow up on something in particular.

Karkat: the reason there’s any people who think Karkat was turned into a joke and was never effective in the plot at all is because he almost always exerts his impact by “Allowing” his aspect, and thus ends up pretty effective all told despite not being aware of what he’s doing!

Tavros: reading Tavros as passive ignores the fact that Tavros fights and resists Vriska’s will every step of the way throughout his abuse, and is pretty capable about knowing who to get to help him in stopping her.

It ignores that the one time Tavros almost used his powers he was acting under his own agency, and that he quite expressly and dramatically is unwilling to do things the way Vriska wills them on him.

On Vriska’s end, ignoring that Pages inspire others to act for their own benefit paves over the element of her character that genuinely perceived herself as trying to help him, which is a textual element that complicates our view of her.

Obviously none of that is to say Tavros asked for it, or that any of what Vriska did is justified. But the way their wills play off each other is more complex than just “she bullies him and he’s a pushover”. 

Tavros is NOT a pushover. He’s overpowered by force, but he tries fucking hard to resist his abuse. And Vriska doesn’t exactly just hate Tavros–there’s an element of her behavior genuinely rooted in a desire to help in the context of the fucked up world she grew up in. 

But more than anything reading Pages as passive ignores Tavros’ motivation for raising the ghost army and turns it into “oh he ended up helping Vriska to her benefit in the end and that’s…his character arc?” 

Which isn’t what that scene is at all. That scene is Tavros getting what he personally wanted to have closure for himself and move on from Vriska for good. Tavros healed. He moved on. He got a pretty gentle sort of revenge because Tavros is ultimately a kindhearted and gentle boy, but he used the ghosts specifically to aid his desire to own the fuck out of Vriska and then moved the hell on. 

Reading Pages this way means that Tavros’ arc wasn’t written for the purpose of making a depthless joke of an abuse victim, which means you can understand Vriska’s character complexly without having to prioritize her over her victim.

I sure as hell wouldn’t call it, like, a perfectly handled narrative, but it does make it substantially better and make Tavros ’ ending a lot more satisfying. Also gives me more hope both Vriska and Tavros will be treated well with whatever on earth happens in the epilogue.

Homestuck was, if not good, at least only kind of shitty instead of dramatically in your face blatant abuse mockery shitty all along. Tavros is definitely treated as jokes, but he’s also given actual closure re:his abuse arc, that actually makes sense given who he is as a person. And understanding that means Vriska’s character was handled with more care, too. 

Force and Flow — The Aspects aren’t the only Existential Duality at play in Classpects.

nightcigale:

revolutionaryduelist:

Hey, peeps. So, here’s the bottom line:

I’m pretty sure I solved Homestuck’s Class System.

This is a masterpost for a series of essays that lay a case, strongly informed by the canon with screenshots and references, for the following things:

1) What every Passive/Active pair is.

2) What every Key Verb (IE: Destroy and Steal, the canon ones) is, and how those Key Verbs are paired together.

3) what Passive/Active even means exactly.

4) How the Passive/Active spectrum works. 

In this masterpost, I make the case for the core philosophy that informs the entire Class system. I’m also posting and linking to the first essay, on the Destroy and Create verb pair. The other two essays are already written, and I’ll be posting them over the next two weeks! 

They are available in their entireties for my Patrons, so if you can spare me a buck a month you can get these early if you decide you like them enough. Higher reward tiers will let you invite friends to the Discord so they can read them too!. 

Feel free to @ me, reblog or send me an ask with your thoughts on these first two essays. There may be some things I can’t answer as they will be answered in later posts, but I might use those as inspiration for what teasers to release from sections of the next two essays over the course of the week. 

You can also feel free to talk to me in the Hiveswap Discord where I moderate and cry about Homestuck. I’m very interested in seeing how my thoughts stand up to scrutiny, so don’t be shy!

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[Destroy and Create] [Steal and Serve] [Know and Change]

Keep Rising. 

SSDHDBFNSKJDNF THIS IS SO CUTE IM GONNA LOSE IT THANK YOU

I don’t know how long ago you read it so I hope you saw the section on Lord/Muse cause I’m proud of it!! Planning on making a post about it once finals are over haha

Force and Flow — The Aspects aren’t the only Existential Duality at play in Classpects.

What is the $10 Revolution?

notyourexrotic:

amyrlin:

preservedcucumbers:

10dollarrevolution:

The $10 Revolution is an idea to transform the relationship we have to online media. The idea is this:

Set aside $10 of your budget a month. Just $10.

Then use that $10 to directly support creators you enjoy in whatever way you see fit. Maybe that means donating $1 to 10 different creators’ Patreons. Maybe that means subscribing to someone on Twitch for $5 and using the rest as a direct donation. Maybe that means giving the entire $10 to your favorite creator, and letting everyone else go.

But imagine the change if everyone set aside $10 to support their favorite online creators. If everyone who watched that tiny YouTube channel supported with $1. If everyone who read your favorite webcomic gave $1 a month.

Suddenly, an artist who has 300 fans has a legitimate source of income.

A YouTube channel with only 1000 subscribers might be able to sustain itself.

And the reliance on the ad-free model of media, where creators have to make clickbait to even have a chance of being seen, starts to end.

The $10 Revolution is not an idea, but a call to action.

Set aside just $10 a month, and ask your friends to consider doing the same.

Let’s see what we can do.

#10DollarRevolution

I’m in a position where I might have to give up on freelance art and go get a full time job soon, which means losing the freedom to work on my books, comics, and other projects. If one tenth of my tumblr followers pledged $1 a month to my Patreon, I wouldn’t have to do this. So yeah, this is a good idea.

If one tenth of my tumblr followers pledged $1 a month to my Patreon, I’d be able to afford to live in my own place, rather than being stuck in a terrible situation… which would mean that I’d actually be able to dedicate more time and space to music.

One-tenth of my Tumblr followers subscribing to my Patreon with $10 a month could make up nearly my monthly budget/living expenses. Even a $1/month subscription can go a long way in aggregate.

One-tenth of my Tumblr followers giving me $1 on Paypal or $3 (the minimum amount) on Ko-Fi would also go a long way!

A third of my followers sending me 4 bucks a month would immediately allow me to make content full-time. For those who can afford to make them, little decisions like that transform content creators’ lives and the very face of the internet for the better. Every lil bit helps. Don’t underestimate your own power. 

HOLY SHIT

wakraya:

THE FROG.

THIS FUCKING FROG.

I just realised what it is and what it DOES. So ever since this panel happened, it’s been on the back of my mind, and now that the comic is over and I’ve done theories on the Metastuck and found the Apotheosis and Creation Myth theory which is to me the perfect explanation of all things Homestuck, THIS fucking thing still held the one plot thread I couldn’t explain with Alternate timelines, and that seemed a bit too Deus Ex Machina for me to actually enjoy much. “Oh, the last frog? Echidna just helped me remember it was not in the Medium! It was back at my island!” Why. Why would it be back at her island?

And yesterday when I talked to a friend about the ending, I realised. It’s Game Design. Now hear me, I quote from the comic itself:

PCG: WHAT.
?GG: oh right
?GG: where the last frog is!
?GG: or was…
?GG: the thing is
?GG: the frog we need is nowhere to be found in the medium
?GG: it was on earth!
?GG: but only very briefly
?GG: it was when i was young
?GG: before i woke up on prospit
?GG: i had begun sleep walking

?GG: both on the island and on the moon
?GG: and in my dream it was very bright
?GG: i saw something in the light
?GG: i couldnt tell what it was so i got closer

[…]

?GG: later my grandpa made a robot for me to help me with my sleep walking
?GG: it could do all the walking while i stayed safe in bed!
?GG: it could also record my dreams
?GG: i am sure he always knew my dreams were going to be special
?GG: i suspect he knew it before i was even born

That’s it. the hint has been there all along. This was when Jade started sleepwalking, and that is not just a coincidence. This is the thing that caused the Sleepwalking in the first place. The ‘Seed’ shape glowing in the middle of Prospit, that bright light, has always symbolised a Game Construct, something the game does. Be it the place from which the Temple emerges, the lily time capsule storing people and items within, that’s the main symbol of SBURB that says it’s a mechanic of the game. Now, to explain this I have to take Kanaya, the other Space Player, as an example:

GA: I Woke Up A Long Time Ago
GA: I Had Trouble Sleeping When I Was Young
GA: The Sunlight Was Unnaturally Invigorating To Me I Guess
GA: My Lusus Could Do Nothing To Help
GA: And When I Was Supposed To Be In My Cocoon I Would Often Wander Out To The Desert
GA: Where One Day I Was Visited By A Stranger Who Dressed And Spoke In White
GA: He Put Me To Sleep And I Awoke On Prospit

GA: Where I Have Dreamed Ever Since
GA: He Said He Was My Guardian
GA: And Though He Visited Rarely I Did Regard Him As That
GA: Then Later He Stopped Coming
GA: In Time I Began To Believe He Was A Figment Of My Mind
GA: Like An Imaginary Friend To Give Me Reassurance When I Needed It
GA: But Then While Playing Our Game I Learned He Was Real
GA: He Had Spoken To Others From Our Party
GA: And Had Been Manipulating Us All To Advance His Schemes
GA: It Was Saddening To Learn My Fortuitous Awakening Had Been The Product Of A Nefarious Ploy
GA: Youre Lucky That Your Awakening Probably Had No Such Entanglements
GG: jeez, i hope not…
GA: But I Guess Its Only A Minor Contamination Of Something Otherwise Great
GA: I Was Allowed To See What Skaia Would Show Me
GA: And To Prepare For Dangers Ahead And Try To Protect People

Of course, one could argue it was Bec who allowed Jade to wake up in Prospit, but she spent her entire life with her dog, and it was only after the Frog Event and Jadebot’s construction that she actually woke up there. So everything hints to the fact that the Final Frog is the Trigger that wakes up Space Players in Prospit. Kanaya didn’t need it, because Doc Scratch woke her up. Doc Scratch manipulated others to his whims, so the fact he only visited her a few times and then disappears means he had little interest in what he could get from Kanaya. Which bid the question to me, what did he want from her in such short time?

The Frog is what he wanted. He zapped himself on Alternia, and woke Kanaya up, thus making sure she didn’t wake up the proper way. He became the trigger of her awakening, making it so that Kanaya never saw this Final Frog in the past, and didn’t remember in the future, causing the Universe to be incomplete, cancerous.

In a normal SBURB Session, SBURB will ensure retroactively the Last Frog needed is sent to the past, near the Space Player, as a means of making them interact with a Game Construct and wake up in Prospit. Getting the Final Frog to make the Universe adds the need to search through Time as well as through Space. Doc Scratch preemptively woke Kanaya up in Prospit, saying he was her Guardian, with the explicit purpose of sabotaging the creation of a healthy Frog, and causing a chain reaction that ended in the combined Session that spawned a new Universe Frog, from which Lord English himself would be born.

Fucking. Hell.

oh god I’m glad someone actually wrote this so i didnt have to 

by the way this serves another obvious purpose–by tying the Frog to the Space Player’s choice directly, a failsafe is established where the Space player can’t successfully create a Frog without getting permission from Echidna directly. 

That instills a clear limit onto the hyperflexible frog creation system from the get go, ensuring that Echidna is a required step. It’s game design. 

ymawgat:

revolutionaryduelist:

ymawgat:

revolutionaryduelist said: Definitely the latter, I mean–I only picked up on the fairy god troll and gnome things because you messaged me! I’d be curious to know who you pair with Sylph/Maid and what the root of your disagreement is, if you find you have the time–but hopefully my reasoning will come into clearer focus with the next two essays :B

Thank You!! 😀

In answer to your question @revolutionaryduelist​ to be honest you’ve sold me on the Sylph/Maid pairing more than anyone else (Dahni, BKEW, etc) has. The root of my disagreement now is definitely more that I just can’t see Heirs and Witches being a pair?

Keep reading

Hmmm yeah, it looks to me like most of this is stuff I address in some way or another over the next two essays, so I’m going to play a bit coy with the caveat that I’m excited to hear what thoughts/critiques you have of those when they come out 😉 

I do want to respond to some stuff, though:

Keep reading

Hey @revolutionaryduelist​, I’m going to hold off most of my counter arguments until I’ve seen your Witch/Heir post, but there’s one thing I would like to point out, namely-

The Master/Servant dynamic you suggest is interesting, but it suggests Knights are Active to Page’s Passive, which I strongly disagree with now (I used to consider it true).

-I’d argue that which class is more selfless and self-centered isn’t the only thing to look at when deciding which class is active and passive. 

Going back to what Calliope has to say on the matter:

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X X

Aside from the selfish/selfless dichotomy, two other main concepts stand out to me:

  • Firstly, active classes directly do things to or through their aspect, whilst Passive classes do things indirectly, “allow”ing and “invite”ing their key verb to be actuated.

I’d argue that Knights more often do things directly through their aspect and that Pages more often do things indirectly?

For example Tavros assembles an army using metaphorical Breath, and in doing so invites/allows combat through his aspect. Similarly Jake uses Hope to allow Dirk to fight (or “Serve” as I know you’d put it) Aranea, and the way he uses his hope powers very much feels like he’s “allowing Hope” to beat down Jade and Caliborn, rather than consciously an directly using it? 

  • Secondly, active classes “exploit” their aspect, while passive classes use their powers “as if by the will of the aspect”.

You may say that this point is a lot more subjective, and I’d agree with you, except that we have this quote from Aradia:

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Note the explicit use of the word “exploit”.

That’s all I wanted to say really, thanks for reading!

I won’t go into tooo much depth because my post on Steal/Serve is going up literally tomorrow, but I will say you’re definitely correct here! I hold to Selfish/Selfless solely because I think it’s the most consistent element of characterization with regards to the Active and Passive classes.

Basically, I think the most critical element to determining Active/Passive is the “For oneself” or “For Others” distinction. Exploitation and Allowance come into it, but are more complicated. The next essay should make what I mean a lot clearer there. 

For now I’d just be curious to know: In what way would you say Karkat “exploits” Blood? He’s not really cognizant of where his strengths lie even by the end, and yet he routinely solves conflicts by establishing bonds almost magically. 

And what about Jake in the Masterpiece? There might be ambiguity to Karkat and Tavros (I’d argue Tavros’ behavior is much more in line with exploitation, but I already did so I won’t here), but Jake’s final act in the story is wielding his gay hope bubble against Caliborn as a weapon, which he does specifically because he, himself, decides he wants to save Dirk. 

That seems much more in line with exploitation than with allowance to me–it’s willful, conscious and pre-determined. 

So it seems to me that there’s definitely ambiguity here. I’m excited to see if I was successful in my attempt to clarify that ambiguity tomorrow :B 

Force and Flow — Destroy and Create – optimisticDuelist – Medium

revolutionaryduelist:

Here’s the first of the Class essays, where we go over the most intense Active/Passive dichotomy, putting these Classes on the furthest ends of the spectrum. 

The Key Verbs for these classes are Destroy and Create, covering
Princes and Bards & Maids and Sylphs, respectively. 

Quick disclaimer so I don’t get anyone’s hope’s up: This essay doesn’t include much discussion of Jane Crocker! Not because she isn’t relevant, but because I actually ended up writing this entire series because I needed to lay out my thoughts on Maids so I could get around to writing my essay about her. 

I’ll be linking to my Jane post at the end of this essay once it’s up, and this essay is pretty much required reading for it! So I think it’s worth checking out if you’re interested in her anyway. 

As for the rest, I just hope you enjoy.  The other two essays are already written, and I’ll be posting them over the next two weeks! 

They are available in their entireties for my Patrons, so if you can spare me a buck a month you can get these early if you decide you like them enough. Higher reward tiers will let you invite friends to the Discord so they can read them too!

Feel free to @ me, reblog or send me an ask with your thoughts on these first two essays. There may be some things I can’t answer as they will be answered in later posts, but I might use those as inspiration for what teasers to release from sections of the next two essays over the course of the week.

You can also feel free to talk to me in the Hiveswap Discord where I moderate and cry about Homestuck. I’m very interested in seeing how my thoughts stand up to scrutiny, so don’t be shy!

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[Active/Passive Masterpost] [Steal and Serve] [Know and Change]

Keep Rising.

Just wanted to reblog this to mention that I made some heavy revisions and added a bunch more stuff, particularly making the Unifying Myth of Fairies far more compelling! 

There’s also some talk about Vriska, and I made some edits and added some graphics that should make it much easier to understand how I think the Class Active/Passive spectrum works as a whole. Finally, I also included Jane’s one reference to being a Fairy (that I’ve found so far). 

Special thanks to @ymawgat for sending me the questions that made me reevaluate a couple things in the canon and dig all this extra stuff up! This argument is both way more compelling and far easier to read now, I think, and I appreciate it. 

I also wanted to note that thanks to my financial situation improving, I’ve been able to lower my Patreon goals substantially! At this point, I’ve got something like 630 followers, so if less than half of them considered sending me three bucks a month, I’d be able to bring out new insights about Homestuck as a full-time job. 

You’d also join a Homestuck analysis community that has already proven exceptionally awesome 😉

Of course, I appreciate anyone’s attention and thoughts in response to my writing most of all! I just wanted to keep everyone updated on what the state of this project is. 

Force and Flow — Destroy and Create – optimisticDuelist – Medium

eggylesbian:

eggylesbian:

The weirdest thing is homestuck fans who insist that they like “(Vriska)” because she’s nice, but hate “Vriska” because she’s so mean and bitchy

like they’re the same fuckin person that’s the point! 

the point of (vriska) isn’t to show that vriska is somehow capable of becoming a nice girl! 

it’s to show that underneath all the defenses and walls and bad attitudes that vriska constructs around herself – she is just a really nice and loving – and very vulnerable girl who devotes everything to people she cares about. And Vriska is terrified of that because showing that kind of weakness and vulnerability is what gets you fucking killed or eaten by your own mom on Alternia.

Like I see SO MANY people who are in the “Vriska is an evil bitch and I hate her” camp go on to reblog pictures of Vriska crying and wearing knee-high chucks and talking about how “(Vriska)” should be protected.

They’re two sides of the same fucking person. That bitchy girl you hate is the same person as that nice crying girl you want to protect! You can’t understand one without understanding the other.

I mean I think (Vriska) tells us a lot ABOUT Vriska and that we can learn a lot about Vriska’s motivations and feelings about her…

But Vriska hasn’t learned those things yet. That’s the point. The living, Alpha iteration of Vriska doesn’t act the way (Vriska) does. She prioritizes different things and makes different choices, even if she has similar feelings deep down.

Those choices then go on to have negative effects on people like Terezi— Tavros especially who she KEEPS mistreating even after as she claims she’s made amends for the stuff she did wrong to him before and that Tavros should be grateful. 

Personally I kind of hope Vriska and (Vriska) are both saved in canon somehow (I think Terezi could make that possible). But for ALPHA Vriska to have a happy relationship with Terezi, she uh…needs to change. She needs to learn to let go of her defenses and her persona. And changes that drastic will make her a fundamentally different person–one who is more like (Vriska) is now. 

I don’t speak for anyone else but right now that’s what keeps me away from Vrisrezi stuff while leaving me more comfortable with (Vrisrezi) because…she hasn’t done that yet. Alpha Vriska, in particular, just isn’t at that point right now.

I jdon’t think you can look at Vriska and (Vriska) and say they’re the SAME EXACT PERSON who can be used interchangeably in any context because…when presented with the same stimuli, they would each respond completely differently. 

And that includes how they’d deal with Terezi? Like, short of some outright Mind powers coming into play, Terezi’s in for a genuine and intense struggle trying to break through Vriska’s facade. It took (Vriska) like, a literal eternity to get past all that or something? 

Which doesn’t mean I think it’s impossible or not worthwhile but I do think it illustrates that Vriska is not currently the kind of person (Vriska) is, who is open about being caring and willing, to be honest about her feelings and about accepting the feelings of others.

And just like it’s weird to me to say that all versions of a character are TOTALLY DIFFERENT and you can learn NOTHING about one character by seeing another version of them, so too it feels off to say all versions of a character are EXACTLY THE SAME.

Homestuck is a story fundamentally about finding balance and keeping a balance of perspective between philosophical extremes. I don’t think you’re ever gonna have the right of it when you look at a question as complex and nuanced as “Does Nature or Nurture decide who you really are and at what point do you stop being who you are now and start being a fundamentally different person” with an answer as extreme as “All versions of you are exactly the same person.”, basically. 

As for people hating Vriska…yea I mean :shrug: Some people get triggered by abuse stuff, just like they do with how complex the narrative surrounding Dirk is, and that doesn’t really put you in the right frame of mind to really objectively critically evaluate all the nuances of the characters.

I also know people who would say Vriska would be much more tolerable if the narrative didn’t seem to elevate Vriska even as she abuses and actively shit on characters like Tavros or even Jake who get treated like shit by her. Which…is fair, even if I personally think what the comic is doing is more complicated. And not really on Vriska per se, but rather on Hussie as an author.

Personally I’m hoping the epilogue ameliorates this stuff somewhat. Shrug