ofc thats at least partly just me REALLY WANTING TO GET TO KNOW LANQUE, and I’m not particularly expecting to be right. but my logic goes roughly thusly;
If we’re talking about green text, the likeliest option is Maxlol as the clearest 4chan representative. But what about the envy bit?
Well, we know Lanque’s a Life player, and that he craves eternal life.
As a Jadeblood, that gives us two sources he might be jealous of:
–Fuschiabloods, who live practically forever
–Rainbow drinkers, who…might? And who are considerably closer to home, as a phenomenon exclusive to Jadebloods.
I’ve also had friends suggest that envy might suggest Charun as a Ragebound, and that Rage might have some intrinsic links to envy and jealousy. Either would be pretty interesting to me!
But I favor Lanque over Charun by a very slim margin, so this is what I’m personally hoping for, for now.
Who knows how things will pan out, but I figured I’d throw the thought out here. Happy friendsim day, however it pans out! ^_^
This is Sollux Captor, he knows he’s gonna die. in fact he knows everyone’s gonna die, that’s a thing he talks about even before his introduction.
he knows that because he hears the voices of the soon to be dead (which really sucks btw) and he even knows why they’re all gonna die. it’s because of sgrub, a game he coded himself. but why would he code and want to play a game that will kill him and all his friends? because he thinks it’s gonna save the world and I guess to him the world, shitty death world Alternia, is more important than a dozen of asshole trolls. damn.
So Sollux is gonna die, not once but twice. gotta live up to his bifurcation motif, right? also he’s gonna go blind before he dies the second time. possibly the voices told him that? his own dying voice?
Since a dead Sollux cannot die again, Feferi gives him the kiss of life, waking up Sollux’s Derse dreamself to take original!Sollux’s place. I assume original!Sollux got to hang around the dream bubbles but we don’t ever see him again.
I’m taking this moment to mention that Sollux has two dreamselves, because he’s Sollux so of course he has two. some theories propose it’s a side-effect of being a Doom player and being more death-prone than the average player. I can’t really object to that.
it’s interesting to note that when Derse!Sollux wakes up he remembers Prospit too.
On the meteor Sollux does some tech support and is the only one to skip out of talking to the humans for some reason (a real shame if you ask me). In that time Prospit and Derse are destroyed by Bec Noir, likely killing Prospit!Sollux too. This probably doesn’t count as a death for his personal prophecy? Maybe his Prospit ghost hangs out with original!Sollux’s ghost in the dream bubbles now, wondering when his Derse ghost is gonna join them.
Now any Sollux fan who paid attention knows what him being blind means. it means his prophetized second death is coming and it’ll probably be final. Right?
Enters a Sollux who shows up next to the Green Sun, out of fucking nowhere, and he’s half-dead (and half-blind). This Sollux came to existance when the blind Sollux on the meteor burned himself out pushing said meteor to the green sun like a fucking hero. So he died. but his ghost, which showed up in the dream bubbles, was somehow half-alive? and that let him leave the dream bubbles like it’s not even a thing.
Half-dead Sollux is reunited briefly with his fully-dead corpse, and they fail to have a corpse party because Gamzee stole his body and probably hid it in a fridge somewhere.
Sollux may be 50% alive, but he’s 100% done with the adventure bullshit so he decides to go hang out in the dream bubbles where his dead friends are, despite the begging of his very alive best friend for him to stay on the meteor. I still begrudge him that choice to this day, he would have made a fine addition to the meteor crew.
(I also like to think he did catch up at some point with his friends on the meteor, even if he ultimately stayed with Aradia in the end)
Remember the fridged Sollux corpse? that’s still a thing that exists, because through shenanigans, Gamzee threw it at Jake’s kernelsprite, along with Eridan’s fridged corpse, thus creating Erisolsprite.
Now the creation of Erisolsprite is weird, because it sucks in Eridan’s ghost from the dream bubbles, and it sucks in Sollux’s ghost. But Sollux at that point is only half a ghost! Well that’s alright, because Sollux was always about bifurcation (even if he said he left his duality schtick behind) so he just gets split. His dead half goes into making Erisolsprite and his alive half, now fully blind again, can continue hanging around the dream bubbles with Aradia.
That’s where we find him again, with a new fetching pirate look. He somehow knows about Erisolsprite’s existance despite never having set foot in the Alpha session. One can speculate, is he only vaguely aware of where half of his soul is residing? or can he full on see through Erisolsprite’s eyes, being effectively in two places at once?
At this point one could think: Hussie is going through some sicknasty loops to keep Sollux alive! clearly there must be a purpose to that! Sollux must play a crucial part in the ending or something.
That’s when the retcon happen, going back and changing things enough to prevent the creation of Erisolsprite. Technically it’s possible Erisolsprite escaped to the new timeline along with the other sprites, but we never see him again so there’s no proof. (I believe in Erisolsprite, I do, I do)
With the changes made, alpha-timeline!Sollux should be back to being half-dead and half-blind, and we do get a couple glimpses of him supporting that!
But now shit is going down, there’s boss fights happening everywhere, and who’s there wondering wtf Karkat is doing jumping at Lord English like a suicidal idiot? Sollux motherfucking Captor with the eyepatches, proof that he’s fully blind, fully alive, and from the timeline that was retconned.
Does this Sollux remember an Erisolsprite that has never existed in this timeline? Probably. Does he remember friends who are slightly different than those from this new timeline he snuck up in? I think it’s very possible!
We never see Sollux again after this, but knowing all this, knowing all the ways he can cheat a death that was prophesized not once but twice, I believe he made it to the new universe alive, if blind.
@melodiousnonsense I always lose track of Sollux by the end because of All The Death – I thought you might find this interesting
you’ll notice its completely dead and empty, thats because all his old posts and questions and stuff, he deleted them when he abandoned the account because he specifically wanted to abandon his tumblr presence, but he didnt delete the actual account
you can find links however to his old posts wayback-machined in that reddit link above
Happy Pride Month Eleanor Roosevelt was queer, the Little Mermaid is a gay love story, James Dean liked men, Emily Dickinson was a lesbian, Nikola Tesla was asexual, Freddie Mercury was bisexual & British Indian, and black trans women pioneered the gay rights movement.
Florence Nightingale was a lesbian, Leonardo da Vinci was gay, Michelangelo too, Jane Austen liked women, Hatshepsut was not cisgender, and Alexander the Great was a power bottom
Freddie Mercury is well known for his attraction to men but was also linked to several women, including Barbara Valentin whom he lived with shortly before he died. Friends have talked about being invited into their bed and walking in on them having sex (documentary Freddie Mercury: The Great Pretender)
Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera are two of the best-known activists who fought in the Stonewall riots
The trouble with this ask is that it completely goes against my methodology. I build my guesses for classpects very directly from what I believe are deliberate cues built into the text-Archetype associations, key verb usage, etc. I’m speculating, sure, but I’m not doing so based on broad themes.
Xefros and Dammek are explicitly Rage and Blood respectively, we know this. That leaves Doom and Mind for Jude and Joey. It seems to me Jude has strong Doom imagery, which could be roleplay, so he might in truth be a Mind player. But Joey’s imagery is split between Light and Life, so there’s no Doom or Mind for me to work with there atm.
It’s always possible the stuff I’m picking up on is wrong, or a red herring. But as my view of the text stands right now, I just don’t see how it breaks down this way. And I don’t particularly feel its necessary, given that we’re getting classpects with every single troll call troll.
If that’s what you think then that’s fine by me but I’d like to add my own opinions onto this too for anyone who wants to hear them, Having seen your recent Dammek video I would have to say I agree with your conclusion of him being a Thief of Blood while I’m of the opinion that Jude may infact be a Mage of Mind, Joey as a Bard of Doom (Destruction of Doom possibly giving you your Life imagery) and Xefros a Sylph of Rage.
That’s cool! I actually wouldn’t be surprised to have Jude turn out to be a Mage of Mind, since I already parse him as a Know class.
What would trip me up with Joey as a bard is that I’d expect to see A) use of the “destroy” verb somewhere in Hiveswap’s text, and B) an association with royalty or aristocracy.
In archetypal terms, I’ve seen Joey instead be linked to Magic, whether via her wizard themed dances, affinity for magical girls, or her animal posters. This makes either Maid/Sylph (Fairies) or Heir/Witch (Magicians) seem likely to me.
So I’m currently inclined to think she’s either a Maid, or an Heir roleplaying a Maid.
Conversely, if Xefros were a Sylph, I’d expect him to be linked to magic and/or fairies or some kind of imaginary being, be it a demon, elf, angel, or some other kind of fae. I’d also expect to see some usage of the make/create verbs.
I haven’t presently noticed either, but I could be missing something, and of course this is only my own methodology. A diversity of approaches can only be a good thing, imo! Best to keep an open mind, considering it’s starting to seem likely this stuff will factor into Hiveswap’s puzzle elements to me.
Here’s a compilation of screencaps of the Friendsim trolls who’s loose Aspect traits I included in the Dammek video.
The Friendsims are seriously underrated. Not only are we learning about how Alternia’s brutal systems affect trolls on the ground level all over the hemospectrum, but pretty much every troll so far has included links to both their True Sign aspect and the aspect associated with their Blood Caste.
So far, this seems to lends credence to @wakraya‘s theory of the Blood Caste-Aspect link, which is pretty exciting! It’s hard to say how this dual-Aspect tension is meant to resolve, but I definitely can’t wait to learn more in Act 2 and future Friendsims.
I’m so excited you asked me this because I’ve been itching to analyze Tagora and the shit we learned in his friendsim route.
So I’m with you, I’m leaning towards seeing him as a Knight but I think I can still make a case for a Thief still, too, so I kind of caught between the two. But Knight seems most likely.
The thing that stands out the most in tagora’s route is his desperate need for control made most obvious when we step into his pristine hivehold. He also insists on guiding the conversation at every point (telling the reader what to do, where to sign, when to shut up), if we still run with the assumption Tagora has some type of anxiety then him needing to be in absolute control of his space and surroundings makes total sense. It all assists in keeping up his act that he has his shit together which I think is more for his sake than it is his reputation’s. We can tell he isn’t as in control as much as he leads us to think he is – evident when the blueblood barges in, an unexpected event that seizes Tagora up and totally throws him off, giving the reader their first opportunity to take the lead in the conversation. Briefly also when he goes to give the Reader his card and notices we’re an alien, he’s the only friend so far to have that sort of a panicked,hesitated reaction requiring him to recollect himself.
Long point short, he’s definitely coming across as putting up a guard. I don’t think anything about his confidence is entirely fake, I DO think he’s more fragile than he lets on.
Space is about creation primarily and in all meanings of the word, so there’s no reason creating an identity wouldn’t fall in the realm of this ESPECIALLY for a Mind-influenced Spacebound, if you subscribe to the idea the true signs’ aspects of each caste have a bleed effect over all their extended cousins. He surrounds himself with the idea of perfection and he hides in it, when something knocks away that facade he can’t handle it and almost neurotically breaks down (like in bad end).
Another thing about space is it’s relation with the Setting, which Tagora is using too for a lot of the same reasons outlined: keeping his hive obsessively clean, his desire to enhance his reputation, I think also Tagora’s route is the first to take us to so many different locations? The general meeting spot of all the sims at least twice, his hive, his bathroom, another part of town, and he’s still the one in command of the Reader finding themselves in these places (this one might be a stretch though). It’s not being lead like a Seer or Mage would, nor is it being controlled and created in the way a Witch or a Maid might do so, despite all my references to him manipulating Space. He’s controlling the environment in relation to him specifically to positively effect himself in two ways I can see strongest: protect himself and benefit himself.
To stand for the possibility of Knight first, Tagora DEFINITELY uses Space to improve and equip himself, as well as protect others (in a loose sense of the word) with it. I already discussed how he’s improving/equipping himself with space, and he does go about “protecting” the Reader with creativity (a Space thing) in offering his legislative services to “get the MC the justice he so craves (for a nominal fee of course)”, and in the good ending where he rolls with the rainbow drinker schtick then decides partnering with us is beneficial to both parties.
For the Thief spin, Tagora shows signs of taking creativity and the setting for himself. Literally he takes space from us in that he’s keeping us at a distance: he deters you – not in narrative but by reaction as a game player whether you had this reaction or not when playing – from wanting to talk with him because he’s charging per word & he doesn’t want you to touch him under any circumstance. He’s not willing to talk about himself unless you want to pay him for it, and he’s not going to tell you things like what his mantra is or how Alternian legal proceedings play out. Figuratively, he runs away with all of the Reader’s ideas, like in the good end like going along with the lie we fashion up about being a rainbow drinker (a clever response), the way he comes back to himself and puts himself into the bit alongside you is almost like he’s taking credit from that point for our ruse, and it all directly comes back towards him in a positive manner. He also wants All The Money, a common link between our two Thief examples in Homestuck.
Ultimately I think Tagora is most likely a Knight of Space but it’s hard for me to commit to it until I get more of his personality. The friendsim gave me huge Thief personality vibes, but the glimpse we get of Tagora potentially being heavily veiled under a persona he’s crafted makes me think Knight, too. Both of these classes have something to do with long roads of feeling comfortable with and accepting yourself for what you are (Meenah declaring that she’s just evil, Vriska as (Vriska) having personal revelations that change her at first until she confronts us with the idea that you don’t need to change in order to do the right thing or potentially even be seen as “good”, Dave and Latula both letting go of their cool guy guards and facing the trauma they experienced as just themselves with no armor ((well, Dave moreso in this regard than Latula))) more than any other class.
I’m not sure what to expect from Hiveswap, Act 2 or future friendsims and mini content, but if we’re gonna see any personal development for the individual characters I’d wager Tagora’s thing being about letting go of his guard and us seeing behind the sly little business boy act he’s got going on to whatever is genuinely underneath, be that just him accepting he’s really as clever as he makes us think he is and he just needs to let go of the act, or admitting that he’s actually much more anxious and overwhelmed and needs to feel like he’s in control of Space to make it through another day hinged.
this is fantastic analysis work that i think captures the two major sides of Tagora’s class behavior. Personally, I see him as an innate Thief, put into the position of roleplaying a Knight.
Legislacerators, as civil servants, seem to carry some inherently Knight-like connotation-much as Butlers do. Both are agents who “serve” others through intense labor and specific behaviors/skillsets.
Terezi, a Knight roleplayer, has her entire conflict revolve around her desire to understand her own Mind and its conflict with her perceived moral obligation to Serve Justice.
Interestingly, Tagora doesn’t seem as suffocated by his socially prescribed role as say, Xefros or Dammek (who also parses as a Thief forced into roleplaying a Knight to me). Rather, he seems to operate within the letter of the Knight’s confines, while pretty clearly espousing a Thief’s motivations.
Interesting stuff. There’s more to say, certainly, this is just a bit of a ramble on where I’m at right now.
His lusus tips the scale to Thief for me. Ferrets are so notorious for stealing small objects from their owners and rabbits and chickens from farmers that their very Latin name means “thief”. (”Mouse-killing smelly thief”, to be exact, though Tagora only smells of Lush products and we don’t know about the mice. Mustela putorius furo, if you’re curious.)
oh wow thats a neat detail i was unaware of! Interesting indeed. I was already pretty sold on him being a Thief (I guess there’s some room for Rogue depending on how he develops?) but this really cinches it for me! Sweet catch!
I had a thought, and it’s not super well formed, but I kind of feel the need to throw it into the void.
Nanami Kiryuu from Revolutionary Girl Utena begins the series as perhaps the most immature and absurd character and even has a tendency toward cruelty. This tendency appears to be more out of a sense of selfishness than sadism, but it’s there nonetheless.
But throughout the course of the series, her maturity excels, and aside from Utena and Anthy themselves, may possibly be one the the most disillusioned character at the end of the show. This is especially remarked upon by the fact that she isn’t introduced to the duels until closer to the end of the first arc, but the turning point in her arc comes even before Touga’s, a character who’s always giving the impression of maturity and adulthood and shown in relative positions of power and was perhaps the most deeply involved in the duels at the beginning of the series (aside from Akio and Anthy of course).
See, maybe it’s the big sister in me, because I’ve never understood this particular complaint. The fact is, Dipper loves Mabel so much that her happiness is his own; his actions of sacrifice on her behalf are freely chosen. That’s why Bill’s behavior in “Sock Opera” is so insidious; he builds on Dipper’s momentary frustration with Mabel (why won’t she help me?!?!) by bringing up the various ways he’s helped her in the past, implying that she hasn’t done much to return the favor. He seeks to engender resentment where there was none, where Dipper was previously unwilling to give him so much as a stitch of Mabel’s puppet show; hey, she worked hard on those.
The key assertion I have to address here is that “Dipper sacrifices a lot for Mabel, while she only seems to sacrifice her sock-puppet show for him.” I imagine that viewers come to the conclusion that Dipper has the losing end because, when they compare Dipper’s problems to Mabel’s, they see Dipper’s as more serious. Dipper has a crush he can’t shake (relatable), Mabel is gaga over a pig she just saw at the fair (less relatable); Dipper is pursuing the latest lead in his search for the Author (important), Mabel is rigging up an elaborate puppet show to impress the Boy of the Week (unimportant). Yet the show is always keenly aware that Mabel’s problems, as trivial as they may seem to us, are as important to her as Dipper’s are to him. Bill highlights this when he says, “Who would sacrifice everything they’d worked for just for their dumb sibling?”, causing Mabel to respond, “Dipper would.” Dipper’s “everything” is his investigation of Gravity Falls and Mabel’s “everything” is her puppet show, but each of their projects is everything. Coming from Mabel, the sacrifice of the sock puppet show–and, by extension, of a shot at the “epic summer romance” she’s been seeking as ardently as Dipper has been seeking the answers to his questions–is a very real loss, one she’s willing to accept because Dipper would do and has done as much for her.
Nor is Mabel’s puppet show the only casualty of her greater love for her brother; the loss of her dream world is no mean thing. Mabeland might not be to everyone’s taste (I would personally have thinned out the crowd and lowered the 80s club music a notch), but it’s Mabel’s ideal universe; it’s a world where everything is as she wants it, where she’s never bored or lonely, where every boy loves her, where the high court judge is a kitten. With the threat of change weighing on her and the most important relationship of her life under siege, the prison bubble presents Mabel with an irresistible retreat. Bill, who has banked on human greed in the past to great success, believes that the trap is inescapable, that no one handed all their heart’s desires on a plate will be capable of leaving (just as Mabel is taken in by her desperation to stop time, Dipper wavers when presented with the possibility of growing up on the spot). But without Dipper, all of it is hollow; she prefers in the end to leave her safe place and to follow him into an uncertain world.
For much of the show, Dipper is the more responsible one within the context of their relationship. Regardless of actual birth order, Mabel is the baby; sometimes the baby gets in a habit of relying on charm to carry her through, taking it for granted that her older siblings will always step up to the plate on her behalf, because she’s just that cute (looking at you, youngest sibling in my own family). But if Mabel’s occasional thoughtlessness with regard to Dipper is a character flaw, it’s worth measuring against the depth of her concern for the world at large, a quality that Dipper himself, who tends to value his select group, could stand to learn from. Dipper’s only real issue with the destruction of Northwest Manor and all of its visitors is that Mabel happens to be among them; Mabel is the first to see the potential for redemption in Pacifica, even though Dipper is the one who becomes close to her.
But Mabel loves Dipper more than anyone, and she is grateful to him for everything he does for her and shows it. She apologizes to him at the end of “Sock Opera” for letting a transient enthusiasm skew her priorities: “I spent all week obsessing over a dumb guy. But the dumb guy I should have cared about was you.” After escaping the prison bubble, she makes it clear to him that he can stay with Ford if he wants to–her noblest moment in the series, because Dipper is her entire world, infinitely more to her than crushes and pet pigs and magical trees that grow stuffed animals. He stays with her, not out of guilty obligation, but because he wants to be with her–because she’s his best friend, because growing up without her would be unthinkable. He’s a fair-minded guy, not one to take the fall without good reason–when he operates against her in “The Time-Traveler’s Pig,” he does so on the assumption that her pig is an enthusiasm of the moment and that his love for Wendy is permanent. When he realizes that losing Waddles will truly hurt her, he doesn’t hesitate. “I could never break your heart, Mabel.”
But look at how she thanks him. She knows this wasn’t easy for him and she’s ready to show him how much it means to her. She tackles him in sheer strength of feeling. She lifts him right off his feet.
Treated unfairly? Dipper gets back everything he gives away with interest. Dipper’s happiness is his sister’s happiness and he always gets it because he is her happiness. Dipper is a lucky kid.
I think the most important part of this is “Mabel’s problems…are as important to her as Dipper’s are to him”. People arguing that Dipper somehow got the short end of the stick are saying, whether they intend to or not, that Mabel’s sacrifices don’t ‘count’; that unless she’s always giving up what she wants in order for Dipper to have what he wants, their relationship is out of balance. But that’s not how any relationship works, and the show seems to know that. Part of the reason that Dipper and Mabel’s sibling relationship feels so real is because the things that are important to each of them often clash, but the reason it’s so positive is that they manage to communicate with each other, to help make the other understand how important something is to them, and they’re both happy to give some things up if it means their twin can also be happy. It’s worth saying that this is the exact same dilemma Stan and Ford struggled with – they both had different priorities, different ideas of what was important – but they never learned to reconcile those (at least, not until the fate of both the entire universe and the kids rested on it).
Besides, the major things Dipper and Mabel give up for each other are actually exactly balanced. Dipper gives up a chance at a summer romance that he worked long and hard to make happen so Mabel could have her pig; Mabel gives up a chance at a summer romance that she worked long and hard to make happen so that Dipper could have his journal. Dipper gave up his chance at a dream future that seemed perfectly tailored for him so that he could be with Mabel; Mabel gave up her chance at a dream frozen-moment-in-time that was perfectly tailored for her so that she could be with Dipper. People who follow the show exclusively for the mystery arc might assume that this is out of balance because the things Dipper’s invested in are more important to them, but that’s exactly the point. Those things are important to them in the same way they are to Dipper, in the same way Mabel’s pig and her relationship with her family and her future and her perfect summer are to her. To her, those things are the things that are objectively, obviously important, that are real and that won’t vanish as soon as she moves on to something new.
Because the show values Mabel, because it treats what she wants and what she cares about as important, it treats the loss or sacrifice of those things as just as weighty as the loss or sacrifice of any of Dipper’s secrets and mysteries. And it’s right to do so, just as much as it’s right to balance Stan’s love for and protectiveness of his family against Ford’s desire to protect the universe. It’s a matter of priorities. And Dipper and Mabel have got theirs straight: their first priorities are each other.
Y’all I finished gravity falls the other day and it’s basically utena tier, do want to do videos on it, oh my gosh
Flying through Storytelling 