Tag: misogyny

stormsbourne:

landofsomethingsomething:

Oh yeah, and here’s my hot take about people (especially men) in fandom using their platform to take steamy shits on cis, straight women: 

Your misogyny is still misogyny, and it’s still disgusting! Sexism is still a real thing that affects women all over the world, many of whom are straight and cis! Oppression on one axis is still oppression! Reducing straight cis women who write fanfiction or draw fan art that you don’t like into villains eternally deserving of being on the receiving end of cruel jabs often littered with sexist language reinforces and normalizes misogynist perspectives! It encourages internalized misogyny! It harms real life living and breathing women! It assumes that all women in fandom who identify cis and straight right now in this moment will continue to do so forever, an assumption that is fucking laughable, and you god damn well know it!

Your queerness does not absolve you of your ability to be a misogynist!

And, by the way, if you are a queer woman who enjoys laughing it up with the group about how awful those evil cis straight women are, please know, the moment that your morality and the morality of the bullies you are surrounded by diverges even slightly, your identification will become subject to scrutiny. Please know the moment that you question or otherwise think beyond the groupthink, your identity regardless of how not cis or not straight you are will not prevent you from being lumped in with the cis straight women that you denigrate today. 

Please find and surround yourself with people who respect women. Full fucking stop.

there’s something really disgusting and horrifying about people who pride themselves on being “progressive” and then fill their posts with misogynist slurs and insults, but because it’s about cishet women somehow that makes it ok

I’m gonna have to dissagree with you on the whole “Eridan is irredeemable” thing. Simply because he did have his reasons for doing things(they were just bad/misinformed reasons), and wasn’t as much of a Nice Guy(TM) as everyone says. Here’s what happened, according to what I remember: Eridan tries to convince everyone(or at least Feferi) that there’s no hope if they don’t join with Jack(not realizing that there’s no hope with Jack either). 1/4

Feferi’s like “Ew, you’re just doing this cause you like me.” Eridan goes “Ew bitch, no. I am so far over you, I literally don’t care about you except you’re also technically the Empress now.” Sollux challenges Eridan to their Hate Duel and Eridan goes “Ugh fine”. Sollux gets Rekt, and Feferi gets pissed that her new “pet”(because that’s what Sollux seemed to be to her) didn’t win and tries to kill Eridan. 2/4
Eridan kills her first, destroys the Matriorb to distract Kanaya when she looks like she might go for him next(arguably the only uncalled for action, as I don’t think she’d actually attacked him yet), kills Kanaya, and then leaves poor Karkat alone and goes to find somebody to go with him to join Jack. ¾
So he didn’t just go on a murder spree, he was either winning a duel(Sollux), or defending himself against (percieved) threats(Feferi and Kanaya). If he was really gonna go on a murder spree, he would’ve killed Karkat, too. Also all of this probably wouldn’t have happened if A: Feferi had done her job as his Moiral; or B: Present!Karkat hadn’t called it off with Past!Eridan. (Sorry if this all sounds rude, I just really hate when people don’t actually pay attention to Eridan’s character) 4/4

You have some serious issues with women, anon. From the top:

A) Eridan was cruel, ungrateful, judgmental and unpleasant to everyone who had the misfortune of talking to him from his first appearance. Also, he’s a fucking Nazi. Feferi was forced into a position of trying to cool the temperament of a literal genocidal nazi asshole. Nobody owed Eridan further emotional labor once he was no longer a threat.

B) Your view that Feferi viewed Sollux as a ‘pet’ is as uncharitable as it is based on absolutely nothing. If you’re going to make statements that dramatic at me, be prepared to back them up with the text and have your reading put under scrutiny. I’m not here to indulge the validity of everyone’s pet headcanons. I’m here to talk about Homestuck. 

C) You’re forgetting the part where Eridan tried to get Feferi SPECIFICALLY to join Jack with him. The offer was not open to Sollux and was not made to anybody else. Eridan considered her worthy because she’s ruling class, because oh have I mentioned, Eridan is a fucking nazi.

D) I literally do not care to what extent Eridan was personally out to go on a murder spree. He’s still a gutless coward who abandoned all his friends and took dim views of even the ones who went out of their way to show him kindness, like Karkat, on account of his ***LITERAL SPACE NAZI IDEOLOGY***

E) Andrew Hussie himself talked about him in the dimmest of terms, calling him the worst kind of bastard Homestuck has to offer in the context of Act 5–harsher words than I’d use, considering LE and Gamzee exist. But like. You’re gonna have a hard time finding evidence for your pet reading, bud. 

F) Maybe when you’re expressing virulent misogyny at a female character don’t LITERALLY call her slurs? It’s kind of on the nose. You might have noticed part of my aesthetic is valuing the effort it takes to read between the lines, so like give me a little room for doubt here as to where you’re coming from ok thanks.

G) I didn’t even call Eridan completely irredeemable in the grand scheme of things, for fuck’s sake. My point was that actually just the opposite: That no matter how bad Eridan was, you still have to read him while weighing the agency of a child trapped in an exploitative system with the literal quasi-Adult GOD that set up that system in the first place. 

Eridan is shit, but there’s potential for him to be not shit somewhere in his character. The two statements are not contradictory. 

mom lalonde was emotionally neglectful yes, but because she’s an addict? and you’re willingness to throw her under the bus instead of saying yes, in an alternate universe dirk was a violent child abuser, says a lot about what you think of addicts and women, and is kind of abuse apologism. its ok to like a character but seriously? no one is demonizing dirk. no one is saying hes the worst character ever. but you are so defense & such an ass about it. fucking ridiculous

stormsbourne:

I don’t think this hostility is at all merited, but sure, let’s go.

Mom Lalonde is canonically emotionally neglectful, yes. Glad you agree. In another universe, Dirk was obviously a violent child abuser. I don’t think I’ve ever indicated otherwise. I despise Bro Strider and I am glad he’s dead so Dave can move on as a person. The idea you have that I’m somehow erasing Bro’s crimes is absurd. 

My point is that Dirk gets burdened with Bro’s crimes (it used to be quite common to pass around the book 3 quote about Bro being abusive as proof that Dirk abused Jake) but if anything, Mom has had the opposite treatment.

Thankfully I think this is dying off, but you still see a lot of art where Mom is trying her best to connect with Rose and Rose just refuses to give her the time of day! Stuff where Mom is genuine and sweet instead of sort of passive aggressive (and yes, Mom is passive aggressive, and yes, Roxy is hella passive aggressive at her worst moments). Where the war between them was all in Rose’s head and Mom never intended any of it. 

Views on that are varied, but I don’t think it’s misogynist or abuse apologist to express that I wish Mom’s neglect and abuse got the same attention from fandom instead of being waved off because Roxy is usually a kind and generous person. Dirk is usually a bit overbearing, but he fiercely loves his friends and outright gives his life to save them in a gambit he’s not even sure will work. Yet people don’t decide that Bro was a saint who just wanted to help Dave and loved him – and as well they shouldn’t! That’d be fucking horrifying! 

But there’s a bit of benevolent misogyny at work in refusal to admit that a female character might have also been fucked up, instead treating her alcoholism and emotional neglect as “she did her best” and deciding that her daughter made up the passive-aggression all on her own and just didn’t understand. How isn’t that angle worrying to you?

My point isn’t “Bro is blameless” or even “Dirk could never do what Bro did.” Dirk could. His capability for shittiness makes his struggle to be good all the more meaningful. In the end, Dirk isn’t Bro, and that’s what counts. But shouldn’t we also hold this true for Roxy? Roxy overcomes her addiction and puts her passive aggressive tendencies and need for others to vindicate her by letting her help aside. Roxy grows as a person. That’s good. That’s wonderful. Erasing that Mom was an addict who was definitely at least a little paggro (the bronzed vacuum? the pillow? even if you think everything else was sincere, that stuff is over the top) erases how meaningful it is that Roxy overcame those struggles. 

Every time one of these hot takes gets sent they somehow get worse.

I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase “Intent doesn’t nullify abuse” because I’m sure you’re one of the chucklefucks always spewing it about Dirkjake without actually looking at the story you’re talking about, so let me fill you in on my personal background cause that’s where we are I guess:

My mom was a little bit like Bro. I got smacked around a few times when things got really intense. 

But mostly, she was like Mom–and she wasn’t an alcoholic. She was codependent. I was regularly in a position where I had to try to understand my Mom as an equal, because her behavior simply didn’t make sense. It was arbitrary and childish and sometimes petty, and though I knew she loved me it made trying to understand how things with her worked kind of a nightmare. 

And yes, she loved me but no, she didn’t ALWAYS act in my best interest or in a way that was unfailingly kind and fair to me, because…she’s a human being, and those generally aren’t that perfect. My mom was routinely passive aggressive and I actively stressed out not knowing how she would act any given day she came home.

I’m lucky enough that once I left her house, we were able to repair our relationship. I love my mom dearly! But there’s still plenty of incoherent, bizarre shit she did to me that left lasting anger and that she wouldn’t even understand if I tried to bring it up, and that’s pretty much always going to be part of how I understand my childhood experiences with her. 

My point is, there’s a reason I relate to Rose the most out of any of the Beta kids growing up. 

My dad, on the other hand, is pretty much like Grandpa–neglectful. He loves me a lot and tries to help me out and give me advice, but there’s a lot about me and my life he’ll outright ignore and pretend doesn’t exist. Like…my LGBT identity, for example. 

He does this because it’s easier for him or it makes him less sad about life or he’s busy or whatever–I still love him and he still loves me, but it also still hurts, and it means that we do not communicate and he was not aware of my needs. And that is still damaging, even if it’s not an actively cruel force. There is an absence in my life where my Dad should be.

Just like there was an absence in Jade’s caretaking even before Grandpa died, and in Jade’s case that absence existed because...Grandpa is a Jake who fully indulges his self-serving fantasies to ignore painful emotional realities.

And in case you’re going to ask for receipts on the Guardians, keep in mind Mom offers Rose booze in her strife animation and Grandpa allows his kids to play with loaded guns while he goes on pretend dates with dolls. Neither of these are healthy or well-adjusted people, and they don’t lend themselves to healthy or well-adjusted parents. 

There’s one healthy parent in Homestuck: Dad. You can love your kids with all the force in the world and still hurt them. Does that mean they are irredeemably evil and that Jake and Roxy should be judged according to what they’re capable of? Of course not, that would be ridiculous. That’s the point. 

Mom and Grandpa also accomplish great acts, like Bro does in saving Dave from a Meteor or having showdowns with Jack. I would argue Mom and Grandpa perform better ones because Bro is, in all things, the worst. I just don’t think it makes sense to apply that to Dirk any more than it makes sense to apply it to Roxy and Jake. 

Sure wish whoever these people are would talk about this stuff and consider that we may be reading the canon fundamentally differently and in good faith instead of vaguing about and sniping people I consider friends on anon. Not making an excellent rhetorical case for yourself here, anon.