There’s not a ton to it, just that the epilogue is probably going to give Jake time to shine if it covers the Masterpiece, and it would make sense to me if it gave the other most overlooked kid some time in the spotlight, too.
We’re probably going to see how the alpha kids will get out of the Masterpiece stage, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up in the Void where Vriska/Aradia/Sollux/Davepeta/Terezi/The Beta Kids are all likely to be, as well as the heroic remnants of the Ghost Army.
So there’s a bunch of doomed ghosts who just proved their heroism and worth around, and Jane has more or less willingly inherited a degree of responsibility for trollkind by taking over the Condesce’s company. And she can resurrect people. She’ll probably wanna help them, if the opportunity comes up!
Mostly I think this is likely not because of any particular plot beats, but because Homestuck’s themes point in that direction to me. At least, if I’m understanding the story correctly, I think it likely doesn’t believe anyone is worthy of absolute oblivion other than Caliborn.
If like, I’m thinking there’s a chance Gamzee gets revived or Arquis gets saved by Davepeta, then I definitely expect the troll ghosts to be saved, you know?
This is all ifs though, and its part of what makes waiting for the epilogue so exciting. It’s gonna tell us so much about Homestuck’s underlying philosophy wrt morality and the meaning of existence in Paradox Space, we’ll understand a lot more about what Homestuck has been Trying To Say this whole time, if that makes sense.
The Masterpiece takes place after the end of Homestuck–it’s probably circumstantially simultaneous with the final defeat of LE. Caliborn is taunting John in the credits to entice him to come fight him, since Caliborn knows the kid’s challenge will be the moment he becomes Lord English.
At some point in Earth C’s future, the kids go fight LE. The Epilogue will probably cover the Masterpiece in more detail, along with the moment the kids are released from the Juju they’re trapped in.
Hey dude, I noticed your blog while i was digging through theories, and I just sacrificed my sleep cuz i felt the need to theorize on the endgame, soooo check it out and give me some input?
I think the alternate timeline theory is pretty good, I know a couple of people who subscribe to something similar! And that you came to conclusions similar to mine with regards to the time loop as a whole is gratifying. Thanks for sending me this, it was a fun read!
I’m not super sure about the alternate timeline theory, really only because it seems to me [S] Credits is clearly foreshadowing the Masterpiece happening next. As for what that resolution means, that’s ending speculation, which I’m not touching. I have a lot of guesses for what might possibly happen in the epilogue, but I’m expecting Homestuck to surprise me.
I’ll definitely be revisiting stuff like this once the Epilogue happens though! I’ll be interested in seeing how it changes our perceptions, if it does.
Hello. I’ve never really done a proper theory post before, but I really hope I can manage to make my points clear? Because this is something I feel strongly about.
First of all, today is October 28th 2016, Homestuck had its Credits three days ago, and Hussie has been hinting at an Epilogue to come. Many people really want the Epilogue, because they feel Homestuck’s ending was unsatisfying. The reasons for this, and whether I agree with them or not, are up for debate and are more complex than they seem. But one reason people have proposed is that Hussie grew tired of writing Homestuck and just whipped up an ending. That is the viewpoint I absolutely disagree with, and I believe I can (if not prove) make a convincing case against. Which means I believe I can make a convincing case for the suggestion that Hussie had this entire ending planned, including people’s dissatisfaction with the ending and the reasons why they found it unsatisfying.
So then. What was the ending, again? Let’s describe it from the perspective of one who didn’t like the ending.
John finds his way into a rewritten world where his friends are not really the friends he knows. Roxy is dead here, indirectly killed by John’s own choice (but it’s okay because we know the real Roxy is still alive). The protagonists fight the Big Bad witch and inexplicably kill her with one lucky blow off-screen. A wolf thing, presented as a dire threat, has nothing to do with the actual fight and is neutralized and appeased naturally. A robotic killer is threatening but ultimately blows itself up. The audience is rewarded with, essentially, fanart of Homestuck characters being affectionate with each other. The audience is pissed off by this turn of events; after all that was built up, suddenly our favourite characters are being drawn by other people, suddenly all plot seems to have been forgotten and just strung together with contrivances. It feels like an insult to everything we’ve come to admire. The next Act, instead of providing more answers, we just get anime, and still not drawn by Hussie. A little while later, we hear again from the story, and we see our focal point character is despondent and mournful, deciding ultimately to take action and leaving us on a cliffhanger.
(I gave this description on Reddit, though I added the last sentence specifically for this post)
That is the ending, right? Let’s go over it again.
John finds his way into a retconned timeline, where the art is predominantly a different style than Hussie’s conventional (and when it is Hussie’s, it is “fast and loose”).
His friends are there, but John is consciously aware that they’re not literally the same people he has known all his life.
John’s very act of arriving in this retconned timeline (his Choice with Typheus in A6A6I4) necessitated that the new Roxy would have to die (which is okay because there is still the old Roxy).
The new John died before we came to this timeline.
The protagonists fight the witch (Batterwitch), the wolf (Jack), and the robot (different Jack).
The witch is inexplicably killed with one lucky blow. (The audience is rewarded with “fanart” of Homestuck characters being affectionate with each other, including a wedding.)
A wolf thing, presented as a dire threat, has nothing to do with the actual fight and is neutralized and appeased naturally, non-lethally.
A robotic killer is threatening but ultimately blows itself up.
The audience is pissed off by this turn of events; after all that was built up, suddenly our favourite characters are being drawn by other people, suddenly all plot seems to have been forgotten and just strung together with contrivances.
The next Act, instead of providing more answers, we just get anime, and still not drawn by Hussie.
A little while later, we hear again from the story (Credits), and we see our focal point character (John) is despondent and mournful…
…deciding ultimately to take action (fight Caliborn) and leaving us on a cliffhanger leading presumably up to the Masterpiece.
Does this… make sense? Do you see why I personally believe this whole “ending” is just another ruse, another instance of Homestuck being shaped like itself?
It took me waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long to finally see this, but: Holy shit. This is fascinating. And backs up pretty much everything about what I think the ending is going for.
We’re in for a doozy, and I think it might be coming soon.
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