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i’ll answer them specifically eventually but this goes out to the anon saying madokas special because its “subversive” as though thats atypical for magical girl shows
she’s a terf troll blog trying to build a story arc about trans tumblr forcing her to suppress her lesbianism
there’s no logic in her saying that homosexuality is a disease that makes you miserable but being trans isn’t. no one actually thinks that way. it’s a parody of how terfs THINK trans people and trans allies act. hell, half of TRANS PEOPLE think being trans is a disease that makes us miserable.
she’s going to build a story where she ends up dating a man. mark my words–a GAY man. an ex gay man. this plot point will go on for some time until olivia comes out as a gay trans man. and oh, it’s a happy ending because she got over her internalized homophobia by denouncing lesbianism and becoming a trans man.
because that’s what the evil transes want. to convert your precious cis lesbians into straight female fujoshi trans men through the power of trans inclusive conversion therapy.
alright everyone mark your calanders.it’s may 12th 2018, 12am est. let’s see how long it takes this arc to come to fruition.
well that was faster than i thought
hello??? reblog this fucking post. i don’t like to watch people falling for transphobic scams.
i don’t really go in for unpopular opinions and hot takes, but there is one that i am reluctant to share, one i really think will cause real backlash, one that will make you all dive for a fainting couch in dismay
Effing literally “Drop the T” is a radfem/TERF popular tag.
TERFs are right in lockstep with the right wing as long as trans lives suffer.
A direct quote from the article:
“Attendees were also told to wrap their transphobic rhetoric in the language of feminism, claiming gender identity is a concept offensive to women.”
what this also means: if someone is putting transphobia in feminist language while also not having a basic understanding of other feminist principles, if the extent of their feminist organizing is that, they may well be a christian right plant.
conference speeches aren’t where new tactics are invented. if they’re recommending it at a conference, it’s because they’ve been doing it, and it’s been effective.
Also folks, if you look at your history books, you’ll see that dividing and conquering is a tactic used, SUCCESSFULLY for hundreds of years. And every time, it sets back progress. Don’t fall for this. Break the cycle.
If you truly are a part of the community you would never be trans exclusionary. Dont let them brainwash you. We are only safe united.
Not witchcraft related, but THIS! NEEDS! MORE! ATTENTION!
When I say ‘dykes’, I mean ‘dykes’. As in: people who identify as dykes.
In the post you’re refering to I made it quite clear that I was writing about dykes I know and when I speak of these dykes I won’t erase or sanitize their identities by using a mainstream, tame, deradicalized word that denies the words they specifically chose for themselves to emphasize their identities and their struggles as queer marganilized working class proudly-perverted revolutionary DYKES.
Keep your fucking respectability politics to yourself.
Hmmm. Interesting post!
Anyway, I’ve seen some of my followers reblog from this freak, and I think it’s worth stating that you should probably unfollow me if you agree with them.
did he really just say “proudly-perverted”
Yeah, that makes no sense at all.
(to any people unfollowing me: please block me at the same time so I never have to deal with you again. bye and good riddance)
When did @comcastkills decide to become hot garbage to THIS degree like, damn.
I forget the age range on this site runs only a little past the teens most of the time because nothing said here is in any way outside of LGBTQ history.
But, you know, thats reactionary bullshit for you. Are discoursers all younger than 21 or something? Would that explain this nonsense?
The first person who welcomes me into the community as a sort of mentor proudly ID’d as a Dyke would insist that be used over lesbian or homosexual.
Comcastkills showing the same regard for people as the average school bully, I see.
It’s wild and depressing and wildly depressing for me to see this kind of stuff, because when I was a kid, any of us babygays would have literally killed to have an older queer mentor of any kind. Shockingly, there were few around, because, you know, AIDS. But now, the next generation, finally having what we lost, an older generation to teach them about their cultural history n shit… Just. Actively hates and in some cases even tries to kill them (I’ve seen kids on this hellsite try to cost grown-ass adults, sometimes parents, their jobs, kids, and lives).
Like, I feel so old to be like “back in my day” or “when I was your age” but seriously. I always thought the younger generations would be better off for having what we lost. Instead: this.
And we gotta call it by its name:
It’s not a generation gap. It’s not just ignorance (though that plays a part). It’s not just TERF manipulation against the word queer (though that plays a part).
We’re seeing a young generation of LGBT conservatism: kids who want their civil rights but who don’t want all the mess and scandalousness of actual liberation. Kids who want to hold on to what has been won for white middle class binary identified LG kids and don’t want to thing about what’s happening on the margins on the LGBT movement. Kids who want glamorous LGBT celebrities on tv, not homeless LGBT youth in their spaces. We have kids into gay nationalism. We have lesbians longing for the time when we didn’t include bisexuals and trans women in our communities. We have LGBT youth voting for Tories.
These kids aren’t shitting on their queer elders out of just ignorance, they actively reject our struggle against all oppression.
I’ve been thinking about this lately too.
The thing I created this blog to oppose is, ultimately, a right-wing reactionary movement, and if you scratch even a little bit at the veneer of leftism, you find bootstrap logic, xenophobia, militarism, anti-intellectualism, the veneration of retributive justice, disrespect for bodily autonomy, and other characteristics of right-wing politics underneath.
Let’s start calling it what it is.
I thought for the longest while that I was off-the-mark in mentally categorizing Tumblr Anti-X (anti ace/aro, anti kink, anti gender-fluidity/gender-spectrum, anti-labels-actual-queer-people-use, anti certain-kinds-of-fiction, etc) Discoursers as the social conservativesof the future, but the above lines up incredibly well with my own observations.
Years ago, someone asked me to do a portrait of the social conservatism of decades to a century in the future and at the time I predicted highly limited andconditional acceptance of white, able-bodied, very gender-conforming, white-picket-fence, cis gay men and lesbians, who vote conservative. Maaaaaaybe also a limited acceptance of transgender people who medicalize and pathologize themselves out the wazoo, performing a constant show of ‘I’m just a good person who seeks the appropriate treatment for my medically-acknowledged condition, won’t you accept me, I promise not to rock the boat?’ and whose gender-presentation after transition is also very high in conformity to what the conservative mind thinks of as acceptable + again, support for conservative politics.
Imagine how depressed I was when a large assortment of discoursers, transmedicalists and others along these lines basically confirmed a good deal of the above, here on Tumblr, decades before I thought it would ever become a thing! I started getting alarm bells in my head when I saw the vicious responses toward the concept of gender as a spectrum (and thus toward the existence of genderqueer / nonbinary, agender, genderfluid/genderfuck people), because after years of monitoring and seeking to understand social conservative communities, I knew that they consistently felt a deep, existential sense of threat from anything that challenged their rigid, binary views of gender. And here, on Tumblr, I was seeing young, so-called ‘progressives’ reacting in the same manner, as if threatened, by the concept that gender as a binary is a small and very reductive lens through which one can see the human experience. Whoever coined the phrase ‘conservatism with a gay hat’ couldn’t have been more apt.
And the thing is, this isn’t exactly something new for the community, the only thing that’s truly different is that an entire generation is now in the thrall of reactionary politics. Seeing sneers at queer people daring to (gasp!) describe ourselves as ‘proudly perverted’, as highly sexual beings, as kinky and unapologetic, reminds me what a massive impact radfems have had in shaping the Tumblr social environment and what a net contributor they’ve been to the aforementioned reactionary politics. Whenever I look at the notes of popular radfem posts, it’s always the same exceedingly telling image: usernames along the lines of ‘empress-vulvalini’ or ‘uter-person’ routinely interspersed with ‘tradcatholicnationalist’ or ‘jesus-is-my-savior’ (looking at the latter kind of blogs reveals that they’re Fundamentalist Christians to a one and I say this as a progressive Christian, lest someone accuse me of bigotry. It’s not the Christianity that’s my issue here, it’s the fundamentalism and the deep conservatism that comes with it). In the most darkly hilarious situations, I’ve found posts made by actual religious fundies (’sexual promiscuity and behavior characterized as ‘kink’ damages the inherent dignity of the person’, for one example) with the notes filled with radfems liking, reblogging and lauding the content.
It’s been noted ad-nauseam that radfems and conservative politicians have been good allies on several fronts, starting with the 1970s, but even something as simple as a Tumblr post can show how radfems share idea-space with fundamentalists. Radfems, in this case, have been the social-vector through which LGBT teens on Tumblr have been introduced to and influenced by fundamentalist thought, giving us the incredibly baffling sight of queer youngsters reacting with knee-jerky viciousness to non-normative sexual practices that hardly warranted the batting of an eye-lash in queer-dominated spaces, ten years ago.
Good additions – and, kind of off topic, but I actually teared up a little when I saw your URL in my notes, and got a case of happycry sniffles writing this, I’m just so glad you’re back. You always post with such depth of perspective and moral clarity and insight; a heartening light in the fog.
I hope my small comment here isnt unwarranted but id like to share a thought! I am an lgbt youth, im 18 years old, and although im of course not at all involved with the radfem community or much discourse at all, i have absolutely observed all thats being described here, ive watched how things spiraled from how things were when i was just an 11 year old on the internet. So with the perspective that i have i have to keep wondering why this happened, why these oppressive forces were essentially able to take hold of our community. I dont think i can fully grasp the true context of the situation and what led things to this point but thats actually kind of my point. A lot of queer youth in this generation truly dont know a single goddamn thing about queer history. Weve heard the names marsha p johnson and sylvia rivera thrown around once or twice but i dont think a lot of youth know about much more than just the stonewall riots. We arent taught queer history in school, weve never been given resources to find out more about our history, and weve never sought it out either because we are so deep in current day politics or because we dont understand the importance and value of knowing about queer history. For me, i really didnt even know more history existed. The way it was taught in school was that at some point we had the equivalent of a gay revolution and before that queer folk were just quiet and kept their lives a secret. I didnt know there was any more to it. So i kind of feel like this failure to inform queer youth of their history and backgrounds has given space for conservatives to sneak their ideals into the community and veer it off the path that wed been creating for ourselves. If we dont know where were coming from and what our actual goals as a community were then it becomes easy to get muddled in the details and respectability politics involved in todays community. The lack of information stops us from learning from the past and creates space for bigotry.
I am a peer educator, i spend my time going out into schools and community organizations in the area to teach people ages 13-24 about the lgbt community, safe sex, self care, healthy relationships, ect. So i may be a tad biased in saying this, as i strongly value educating the youth and starting important conversations as an important step in dealing with many different societal problems, but i feel like teaching the queer youth about their roots is definitely a good first step to take if we want to begin to deal with the current situation within the community.
“the way it was taught in school”
I’m 32 (raised in Texas) and you just blew my mind because somehow it never even occurred to me that schools might be mentioning queer history now.
Like, wow.
I 100% agree that conservative-driven lack of education is at least part of the problem and that just like sex education in general we have a massive hole in our education system on this topic, but.
Man, just wow, cause, you gotta understand that as little as 10, 20 years ago nobody official was officially mentioning ‘gay stuff’ to us.
So, you know. Damn, wow, progress.
I wonder how many other people my age are kinda hilariously sideswiped by this epiphany?
Anyway, it’s my understanding that part of the reason there’s a huge hole in the queer history education of youth today is that a massive percentage of the baby boomer and gen X queer population died. Were killed, frankly, by intentional governmental neglect of the AIDS epidemic. The ramifications of this are still rippling out through our culture, but one effect has been a disconnect from our history.
Even if there were only one gender, transness isn’t just about biology, it’s about gender expression and identity, and to imply otherwise, especially with this notion of pronouns being based on ‘curves’, is not only based on inaccurate fanon but rooted deeply in transphobia.
So, miss me with that shit.
Regardless of troll biology (which, lest we forget, we know almost zilch about), trolls certainly have gender! All the homestuck trolls identify as male or female, and as far as we know any of them could be trans too.
Kind of like how, just from looking at/talking to a human, you can’t tell if they’re trans or cis.
The reason Lanque’s trans-ness is important is because Jadebloods are the only caste in which all members are expected to identify as female to fit their role as motherly caretaker stereotypes. Lanque may still want to look after troll babies with the rest of his caste but he’s obviously decided that he identifies as male.
Arguably, a transmale Jadeblood is the only type of troll who would feel the same societal pressures that human trans people do (although other trolls may have overbearing lusii who won’t let them present as their true gender).
In other words, Lanque being trans is super fucking important.
could fans like stop outright making shit up without so much as a source and then using their bad fanon to talk down to trans folk, that would really be so swell
i HAVE to say something because this specific thing im seeing about lanque is driving me up the wall, simply because it makes it rly clear some of you just have no fucking clue what homestuck is about actually? like at all.
and thats this idea that lanque is bad because jadebloods are associated with motherhood, and subverting or complicating that thematic association is bad.
which…just… did these people just like, forget porrim? what happened to caring about the nuances and complexities of girls’ arcs lmao.
like yeah Porrim personally finds a middle ground she’s comfortable with, but the fact that her society coerced her into a role of motherhood and caregiving is still something she struggled with and its still! fucked! up! There is a larger point being made here!
Jadebloods’ motherhood themes arent about a tribe of Happy Mom Girls who all happen to be biologically born into a role they all love because jade bloods are just Like That.
Jadebloods have motherhood themes because Alternia is a dystopian LITERALLY GOD-DAMNED HELLSCAPE that forces trolls into extremely specific + isolating jobs based on their biology, no matter what they want.
As a caste, Jadebloods DO NOT have a choice, and odds are good most of them arent super fulfilled or happy doing the whole selfless mother of the fascist empire thing.
I’ll leave it to women/afab nonbinary folks/TRANS DUDES who have actually dealt with similar pressures right here on planet Earth to talk about how glorifying that dynamic is fucked up.
I just want it to be clear to anyone confused by these hot takes that this criticism isn’t even rooted in an accurate reading of Homestuck and Hiveswap’s actual canon, let alone any semblance of reality.
It frankly boggles my mind. How the hell is this a reading! Homestuck spends literally all of its time tearing biological essentialism the fuck down, whyyy why WHY would anyone expect anything different here.
Take it as a warning about falling too far down your echo-chambery fandom-slash-sjw “activist” rabbit hole. All of this nonsense is grounded in readings so far removed from the comic they may as well be writing their own story.
anyway i usually dont bother with this stuff but i had a moment of weakness, sleep-deprived tumblr blogging is a bad idea. relatedly: dont drink the discourse kool-aid, kids. it’ll fuck you up.
Didn’t realize someone had posted this on Tumblr. Cool.
As exhausting as all the blowback I’ve gotten for this (trans women are remarkable able to unify misogynists and radical feminists in their disgust of us), I’ve been really touched by how many people have reached out to say this argument has changed their mind on the subject.
I’m going to keep talking about it until it stops happening, or trans women cease being murdered for triggering male anxieties.
Hey this is super important. Thanks for having the bravery to say it.
Since joining Tumblr, I’ve met a lot of young queer people. Look, I’m a bisexual man in a gay relationship, and I’m approaching 30. I was still a kid when Matthew Shepard’s story was being covered on the news. I remember thinking, “I better keep my mouth shut about these feelings I’m having.”
And then I met Dominic when I was 12, and people could see how in love we were. And we got the shit beat out of us. The year I met him, some kids in the grade above me held me down against the bleachers in our gym and stomped on my hand until my fingers broke. Instead of sending me to the nurse, the teacher sent me to the assistant principal to explain the situation. She asked why the kids had beat me up. I said, “They were calling me gay.”
Her response was, “Well, are you?”
My, “I don’t know,” earned a call to my parents, and I was outed. Efforts were made to keep me from seeing Dom. Throughout high school, Dom’s stepmother intensified these efforts. He slept in the basement of the house. Although he was an incredibly talented student, he was prohibited from participating in any extracurriculars. He suffered a lot of physical abuse during those years.
The day he turned 18, he packed up everything he had and walked to my house, and we’ve lived together ever since. Things are better, but they’re not perfect. I’ve had trucks pull up next to me at stoplights and, seeing the pride sticker on my car, through old drinks and garbage into my window. I no longer speak to my dad’s side of the family. I haven’t been to see them for Christmas or Thanksgiving in years. One of my uncles had cornered me at Thanksgiving when I was 17 and said, “I’m not going to judge you, but I’d be happy to break your neck so God can do the judging a little sooner.”
I joined a support group for trans and intersex people. When I joined, 40 people attended regularly. Within the year, the group was half the size it had been. Some couldn’t make it anymore, because they were staying at the shelter, where their stay hinged on them agreeing to instead to attend homophobic sermons. Some were put in correctional therapy. Five of them died. Three of those, I didn’t know, but I knew Alex, the 19 year old who was fag-dragged in Kentucky and died a day later in the hospital, and I knew Stephanie, who went home to Alabama to care for her mom in hospice and was beaten to death with a baseball bat by her mom’s boyfriend.
Tumblr is not reality. The dynamic here does not reflect the dynamic out there. Here’s the part where I finally make a point, and it might be extremely unpopular – but guys, value your allies.Value each other. We are met with enough hate in our daily lives to enter an online safe-space and meet more hate from our own, over petty things. Don’t go after one another over every little thing you find problematic.
Learn to see nuance. Maybe the word “queer” bothers you, and you see a gay man using it as an umbrella term. Maybe someone called a trans man a trans woman because they’re confused about terminology, but the post where they did it was voicing support for the trans community. Maybe someone is just asking a question, wanting to learn more. Stop. Attacking. These. People.
Allies are being driven away. Members of our own community are being ostracized. Others are feeling nervous and estranged, and it’s largely because of places like Tumblr, where the social justice movement is quickly becoming violent and radical. I am begging you, stop nitpicking “problematic” things and start directing your efforts to create real change. When it comes to comes to your allies, forget the “social justice warrior” mentality and put down your torch. Educate calmly. Be respectful. Be understanding. Be forgiving. And I’m certainly not saying that your anger doesn’t have a good place – when you are met with bigots on the street, congress members who want to pass hateful laws, violent protesters, abusive parents, prejudiced teachers, that is when you need to be a warrior. That’s when it counts. In the real world. When you have the opportunity to protect people from real harm. Attacking your would-be allies via anonymous asks is just going to lose us ground in the long run. And we don’t have time for that, not when trans women of color are being murdered every day, not when states are still fighting against marriage equality, not when there are politicians in office who believe that trans people are possessed by demons, not when we’ve just lost 50 brothers and sisters to one gunman, not when the media won’t even admit that the attack was homophobic.
Please step back. Look at the big picture. Look at where we are, globally. Don’t just log on to your safe space and attack your allies over small missteps. That’s like washing the dishes in a house that’s on fire, kids. Let’s fight on the battlefield, and when we come home to each other, let’s just focus on bandaging up our wounds so we can go out and win the war.