she was probably just raised in like an ectolab or w.e by the Condesce directly. Raised apart from Nanna and Grandpa, I mean. I don’t think that makes her a sister since she wasn’t raised as a sister and there is no genetic relation.
Actually the wake of that ask spawned a conversation that made me pretty conclusively decide that the unifying myth for Princes/Bards is probably Royalty, or Nobility, which is hilarious. That also makes me much more inclined to regard Thief/Rogue as Pirates or Outlaws in general. Sooo so much for my prior position–see what I mean? There’s always stuff in Homestuck that I’m missing, and my stance changes on a dime once I’m presented with a consistent strand of thought.
Presenting it is going to require me to dive deep into the comic for quotes to be sure about it. I guess I’ll have to make some small meta posts or edit Force & Flow and see if they hold up! Couple other things to do first, though. I guess Stay Tuned™???
there is someone like that, in my opinion. it’s caliborn.
I was going to get mad but then I remembered that no – there was an alt-Caliborn. We never met him, but he was dominated and defeated by alt-Calliope.
The end result, though, is that unlike anyone else in all of reality, there’s only ever really One Caliborn. Caliborn doesn’t exist conceptually, in many different iterations, like the rest of the characters do. He exists only and exclusively in the single physical form that goes on the single physical journey he ever chooses to take.
The Alt-Caliborn only existed through forced John scratch, and his only fate was to be consumed and become part of Calliope. He doesn’t truly exist except as part of her. So Caliborn remains a true individual–an oddity in Homestuck’s cast. Everyone else is multiple people.
FedoraFreak.
That’s a fairly good point, except that we don’t really see the full context of fedorafreaks’ existence. He would well have alternate timeline selves and w.e and we’d have no way to know, because he’s a person from Earth, and Homestuck is only concerned with them insofar as they’re subjugated by LE and killed by the game.
Once he dies (or God tiers) and finishes his conversation with Nanna, he’s simply not relevant to us.
2) since she doesnt eventually become Jane, she’s probably a mutant rather than a perfect paradox clone anyway. The Condesce does genetic manipulation already, anyway
there is someone like that, in my opinion. it’s caliborn.
I was going to get mad but then I remembered that no – there was an alt-Caliborn. We never met him, but he was dominated and defeated by alt-Calliope.
The end result, though, is that unlike anyone else in all of reality, there’s only ever really One Caliborn. Caliborn doesn’t exist conceptually, in many different iterations, like the rest of the characters do. He exists only and exclusively in the single physical form that goes on the single physical journey he ever chooses to take.
The Alt-Caliborn only existed through forced John scratch, and his only fate was to be consumed and become part of Calliope. He doesn’t truly exist except as part of her. So Caliborn remains a true individual–an oddity in Homestuck’s cast. Everyone else is multiple people.
If this were true, then it would be Homestuck’s most ambitious and intense exploration of the questions of Nature vs. Nurture it’s explored continually so far, maybe even moreso than the difference between Bro and Dirk.
That’s another reason I like the idea, given that the Alpha session is, in its broad strokes, heavily crafted by the extreme impact of either Dirk or Jane, who trade off absolute control of the session back and forth, but through proxies. AR (NOT Dirk) is in complete control of the narrative Pre-Entry, and Post-Entry Jane ends up dominating the whole session first through Trickster Mode and then through Crockertier–both times without her full agency. I only point this out to note that Dirk and Jane have always existed as extreme parallels of one another.
So just as Bro seems to be influenced by Lil Cal to a great degree, I’d be interested in seeing a version of Jane who is fully subject to the Heiress role the Empress has always wanted to impose onto Jane, and which proved incredibly toxic to her in her Alpha timeline. Let me be clear: I think A.Claire is an absolutely heroic figure. I also think that about Grandpa, though–I just regard him as a hero with a tragic flaw, in the greek sense.
I wouldn’t be shocked if A.Claire had a similar issue she never overcame, since that’s kind of the Thing with the Alphas, and though Jake and Jane undoubtedly love each other I don’t think they worked out their issues. If they had, I don’t think Roxy would have been so lacking for support, and if Jake had solved his problems through his relationship with A.Claire, I kind of doubt he’d have run away from the kids.
But I digress. I don’t think Pa would find it incestuous because, for one thing, there’s no indication he would know. Pa was apparently a big fan of A.Claire’s. That’s unsurprising, given his at least subconcious affinity for his old friends. But he’d have no way to know about that or ask her about it before they actually became close. So basically I don’t think it’s something that would occur to him?
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