i’ll let you know if i figure it out? mostly a lot of mixing swear words with things in this page and trying to capture the feeling he gives off in canon.
i think understanding jake’s motivations and personality is WAY more important (and difficult) than capturing his speech style though.
I’m not super sure I follow? Jude and Joey are–as far as we know, whether biologically or otherwise–Jake Harley and A. Claire’s kids.
John and Jade are ectobiological children to Jane and Jake through the machine John used in the Veil.
That would make Jude and Joey half-siblings to John and Jade. Again, barring further complications on Jude and Joey’s end.
yeah sure
https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/2ik4as/was_this_theory_debunked_or_did_this_guy_know/cl31i4m/
this is where i’ve seen reference to them saying they were speaking from a position of privilege. you can ctrl+f for that and also “understand that i have talked about this with andrew.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/2ik4as/was_this_theory_debunked_or_did_this_guy_know/cl2x471/?context=3
and here’s a pretty long exchange they had with bkew himself
i’m usually pretty averse to posting quotes from wp staff, but i figure they’ve said inversion theory is fake often enough that it’s more helpful to spread the word than to bite my tongue on it.
No such thing as an ignorant question, imo. No need to worry 🙂
Inversion theory was a model for how Classpects worked, proposed by one of my primary influences: Bladekindeyewear.
He’s written a lot of posts about it, but his introduction to the subject–as far as I know– is here.
It’s a really cool idea, and for years I thought it was the best way to understand Classpects.
Nowadays I think of Aspect Duality is its own separate concept, and what BKEW explains through Class inversion, I think is more clearly and accurately described as Class Roleplay.
That is, of course, just me. I’m not 100% sure I’m right about the Class roleplay stuff even now, though I expect Hiveswap will make me feel more certain one way or the other.
All I do know is that inversion, as posited here, is extra-canonically debunked. But it’s a good concept to understand to contextualize fandom history. And it’s cool.
Yeah!! One of the biggest strengths of Homestuck’s cast is, imo, their degree of flexibility. I wouldn’t really want to shortchange that, because it lets characters function as sort of quantum rep for different groups–like Gay vs. Bi Rose, for example–but without changing their fundamental character dynamics and relationships.
IE: You can read Rose as gay or bi, but she’s still with Kanaya in the end so it doesn’t matter much outside of how you personally relate to her. I think it’s cool that both gay and bi girls have that close reading available to them in that way, if that makes sense? Ditto Jake.
I got one reblog on that post that also sort of presented me as like “shutting down” that post or whatever, and I honestly wasn’t sure what to do about it, but seeing as OP blocked me and I’m getting anons about it I want to say this:
This stuff you’re saying might be true, but it also might not be. I don’t know this person and you’re on anon, so I have no way to know.
Either way though, I wasn’t particularly out to disprove or call out creative-classpect, and I’m more than a little uncomfortable being framed that contentiously, no offense? .
I learned that there were Aranea and Meenah ghosts in the bubbles like, maybe a month and a half ago.
And it blew my mind when I did! I was mostly just excited to share that tidbit of info.
Homestuck is dense. Really, really, really dense. I don’t think there is any chance on earth a single person could ever like “Break Down” all of Homestuck and Figure It Out by themselves entirely, so I view this as a collaborative effort the entire fandom can and should undertake together. It’s a matter of discovering and then holding to facts about the story, since that makes for better analysis for what the story is up to.
But an elitist approach on my part, or an idea that I’m in “competition” with anyone who DARES step into the holy domain of Talking About A Webcomic, is like. Actively harmful to my approach in that regard? I don’t think anyone should be shamed for being wrong about something like that–again, Homestuck is complicated. We’re all gonna miss stuff.
And I certainly don’t think I’m some “Master Theorist” or better than anyone.
If my writing on Homestuck seems good to anyone, well–I owe that to heavy and fair scrutiny from lots of friends I’ve disagreed with on all sorts of Homestuck stuff for ages, as well as to the tons of friends I’ve made also working on Homestuck analysis and thinking about the comic! There have been plenty of times when I’ve presented counterpoints to their views, and times when they’ve dazzled me with some marvelous insight into the comic I hadn’t at all picked up on. @betweengenesisfrogs pointing out that Lord English’s cueball can be seen as a Cosmic Egg is a perfect example.
My point is I guess that I just don’t really want to be framed as being “in competition” with anyone on this stuff, and I don’t particularly like people upholding me as someone who’s like, an Authority on the True Homestuck Facts, because I’m not. I think the story is coherent, and I’m willing to write embarrassing amounts of text explaining why. I’m also willing to hear out a lot of different people’s thoughts, and freely incorporate them into my own when I think they’re right and enrich the story.
That’s about the extent of my skillset. I’d really rather that instead of dedicated “”theorists”” competing against one another, we all try to work to understand Homestuck better, together.
That might be naive, but it’s how I feel.
Like, Aranea and Mindfang sharing classpects?
Yes. In fact I think them sharing them is canon, easy to prove in the story, and central to understanding the impact that Ancestors have on players. EXTREME ROLEPLAY of the kind we’re introduced to with FLARP actually has a lot more weight in the story than the fandom has thought up until now, I feel.
I’m actually writing a post sort of about that right now, since it suggests some things about Xefros’ potential Class. I’ve been writing about this for a while but it’s been sort of hard to get people interested? But it’s really important and adds a lot of richness to the characters imo.
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it’s sort of a mix of stuff. I pretty much think the biggest contributing factor to AR’s descent is the absence of his connections to the other Alphas, and I think that’s true of Bro as well.
I mean that’s pretty much explicit. All four of the Beta guardians are unsatisfied, unhappy, or a wreck in some way, and the unifying thread between them is the lack of the others.
This is particularly pronounced for Bro, who is not just barely-functional like Mom and Grandpa are, but profoundly destructive to others and himself when lacking their companionship.
This isn’t JUST about Jake, I could say things as relevant about the ways Dirk needs Roxy and Jane, but I wanna keep this short and you all know what I’m about so let’s use Jake as an example.
Dirk explicitly fears his own potential for darkness and hates himself for it and the reason he falls for Jake in the first place is because of Jake’s *faith* in him, in his kindness and caring and potential to do good.
Dirk is drawn to Jake because Jake sees the value in him and sees the good in him and Jake being able to do that makes it easier for Dirk to see it in himself, too. So without that influence in his life at *ALL*, even less than what AR got?
It’s easy for me to see how Bro would fall apart to the degree he does. For the most part, that’s all there is to say on the matter.
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but. let me complicate the narrative for you a little.
I used to be firmly of the opinion that Bro’s actions had nothing to do with Lil Cal and were all on Bro, and the latter’s still true. However, @jadedresearcher kinda turned my world around when they pointed out a simple fact:
There are explicit, demonstrable influences that Lil Cal exerts on Bro, in terms of his personality growth at least. Namely, Bro and Dirk have a divergent interest.
Namely, the SAW-inspired snuff film/”I want to play a Game” stuff. Bro expresses an interest in it, but Dirk really never so much as mentions it. The Jigsaw aesthetic is Caliborn’s thing exclusively, and the only real narrative explanation it has in the story is Lil Cal acting as a transmitter for the interest.
So having this in mind I think there is an extent to which Cal’s influence can be implicated in Bro’s descent. Not that it excuses any of his assholery.
Lastly, here’s a bit of rarely indulged speculation:
We do already know Grandpa raised Mom, suggesting Grandpa may have raised Bro as well. Hell, Hiveswap even has a blurry as hell picture that may be of Bro facepalming that i can’t for the life of me find right now so i guess ill just post it later who cares, the point is
if it’s true Grandpa remembers the Alphas in some way, or if it’s true *Bro* does– given that he’s a Heart player, that seems plausible too–those could also be factors that isolated Bro and made him vulnerable to Cal’s influence?
That is, of course, purely speculative. It’s just one of many potential questions I’m excited to see if Hiveswap will explore.
I don’t know about hiding inside the bunny, but it is quite possible Arquis is still connected to the bunny. The bunny also rusts and turns red so yeah i think the visual parallels are there, and I can imagine a mix Heir of Void/Prince of Heart being able to use the bunny as a passageway that way.
It’s kind of also entirely possible for a Void player to just Void-power their way there, though, so it’s kind of hard to say. I will say I think Lil Seb being involved in Arquis’ sudden appearance is the likeliest possibility. Potentially finding out more about that is one of many things I’m excited for about the ending.
That said, I can’t help but be a little sassy and mention I’m mostly not moved by what most of the fandom decides about Homestuck. That’s not relevant to this point and I’m glad you brought it up, I just want it on record 😛
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